Tommy's charity - utterly captured

[Callmejudith]

Received an email from Tommy's today promoting their new pregnancy advice for transgender and non binary parents - absolute drivel https://www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/being-pregnant/pregnancy-trans-and-non-binary-parents?utmcampaign=Pregnancy%20for%20trans%20and%20non-binary%20parents%20-%20Not%20clicked&utmmcontent=transnonnbinarypregginfotexttlink&utmterm=&utmmmedium=email&utmsource=adestra

I suspect they've been captured for a while but I am so upset, I've raised thousands of pounds for them over the years

So women who identify as trans are at higher risk of voluntarily poisoning their unborn children?

You can't have it both ways.

You can't insist you are naturally different but at the same time have advice because you are consciously inflicting the difference on your unborn child.

I'm not at all angry I posted knowing what people here would Say because mumsnet is predictable but I posted anyway just in case my comments were read by potential families like mine. I believe in shining bright. Y'all should try it

Are you in America? It’s obviously a different landscape out there at the moment.
Although god knows why you’d be lecturing women on a predominantly British forum, commenting on a British charity, if that is the case.

100% this.

Think you may want to revisit the way you shine bright. As a Rabbi you would be dealing with a great deal of personal distress. You are the person who sees people when they have been bereaved, are distressed, are in need of consolation. This is not about you or families like you. This is not about whatever rainbow you are on. This is about them. You will need empathy, compassion and understanding. I think women who have been traumatized deserve more than being (infamously) told to reframe their trauma. If you are of that school, for the sake of your future synagogues, please rethink your choice of career. Again, this is not about you.

Fucks sake.

Pregnant women can't as much as eat a runny egg / have a small glass of wine without general wailng and gnashing of teeth cos the baby. But it's fine to shoot up testosterone?!

'Getting your retaliation in first', eh? Fling around some generic insults because hey it's Mumsnet, they deserve them because...because Mumsnet.

If that's how you post when you're NOT angry, I'd hate to be around you when you're really angry.

@Ymiryboo I am not a shrew BTW i identify as a hedgehog.

That reasonable and healthy approach doesn’t fit the rhetoric tho, does it?

How anyone can get so “upset”, about such a teeny tiny percentage of society going about their own lives, I will never understand. Less than 0.3% of the population.

Yes. I think Sally Hines was part of the ‘research’ team funded with hundreds of thousands of pounds and came to the conclusion that we are trying too hard to avoid birth defects. I’m sure there was a health or medical organisation that reflected this in their advice to pregnant women identifying as men.

I think that there should be a much higher emphasis on m/h support for these women before they think about getting pregnant. The level of special provisions - being seen at home, requirements around language, personal choice of midwife etc would only that they are very fragile and maybe not yet ready for the challenges of motherhood.

Denying that a child even has a mother is not putting the best interests of the child first imo.

When a trans identifying man rapes a woman who he was in an NHS hospital ward with, and the NHS trust - following its policy - denies to the woman’s face for a year that there was even a man on the ward, until CCTV proved otherwise, is that ok? It’s ok to you that this 0.3% of the population has single-sex accommodation policies across the entire NHS re-written to allow them access to vulnerable women, that’s fine by you?

How many raped women is ok? Can you put a number on it for me please? What is the line that we have to get across for us to be allowed to talk about this? Is 100 too many? Please, tell me.

I've spotted something to add to my list of trans 'reversals':

We've been saying for years that is it unreasonable for such a tiny percentage of the population to have such a disproportionate influence on the media, medicine, education, legislation, language etc.

Now the fact that transpeople represent such a teeny tiny percentage of the population is used as a reason to justify anything trans-related, and to berate any critique of it as getting upset about trivia...

If transpeople are such a teeny tiny percentage of society, why would they be entitled to - to take an example which seems to be so important to transpeople - different toilets, when the existing configuration is suitable for 99.7% of the population?

So far I have spotted these 'reversals' of things we've said about TRAs in the past:

• Sufragettes fighting for transwomen
• a paper by Helen Joyce being the GC equivalent of the Dentons Document
• 'cognitive dissonance'
• right to dignity and safety

and now

• tiny % of population

I have another one for you: not all trans-identifying adults want to take hormones or undergo surgery; this does not make them any less trans. However trans-identifying children must be immediately put on puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and given mastectomies and orchiectomies.

Yes this, i know it is all nonsensical inclusive language but at least they are getting care and support.

I weep for the mental health of our species

I don’t get it.

If trans-identifying and non-binary females accept that they are women, why was there ever a need to write this kind of advice? And offer them appointments away from other pregnant women? Surely they know just to read and act on all the stuff aimed at expectant mothers 🤷🏼‍♀️

I will indeed have to work with and support people at their absolute lowest, thankfully jewish women are much more resistant than having a tiny post on a charities page that supports a tiny percentage of the population while they are still having their needs met be their lowest point or even a trauma.

It's in fact the antithesis of judasim to hunt out and gate on minorities so if I did have someone come to me complaining about this incident or similar I would be reminding them of that.

I'm based in the UK.

So why do trans women want to go into women's sex-segregated spaces if they've only changed their gender?

No child under 18 is offered surgery in the UK, puberty blockers are on hold as are hormones. Try stay up todate if you're going to pretend to care about trans kids

PS also I'm sorry that sexism against you as a female meant you couldn't continue your theological career.

I hope pretending to be a man allows you to continue and you can either improve or come to terms with the sexist landscape.

These are not the posts of a deeply religious person.

Yes, because a lot of women on here and elsewhere have pushed for medical intervention in children to be reviewed and outlawed. If the TRAs would have had their way all this and surgery would be available to children on demand.

Jewish women reframe your trauma. Trans is the highest God.

Yeah. Think we heard that in Edinburgh Rape Centre from MW. Who is going to break it to Ymiry that FWR includes Jewish women and that pro-women isn’t anti-trans?

I feel really sorry for whichever community gets lumbered with this charmer.

Eh? Women can be Rabbis. Get with the programme it's 2025!

But two gay men would have a surrogate birth mother and the child would be aware of this presumably. How will you explain where they came from when they appear to have two daddies and seemingly no mother anywhere?