Tommy's charity - utterly captured

[Callmejudith]

Received an email from Tommy's today promoting their new pregnancy advice for transgender and non binary parents - absolute drivel https://www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/being-pregnant/pregnancy-trans-and-non-binary-parents?utmcampaign=Pregnancy%20for%20trans%20and%20non-binary%20parents%20-%20Not%20clicked&utmmcontent=transnonnbinarypregginfotexttlink&utmterm=&utmmmedium=email&utmsource=adestra

I suspect they've been captured for a while but I am so upset, I've raised thousands of pounds for them over the years

I briefly skimmed the Tommy’s leaflet and had a thought about seeing expectant mothers-to-be waiting in the antenatal clinic
sat along side trans men who have decided to have their cake and eat it by being called him/them and dressing up as a man but also opting to keep and use their female reproductive organs, that they were born with, have a child.

I was amazed to read under the section
“Where to have your appointments” that trans men are being advised to talk to their midwife about where they would feel most comfortable having their antenatal appointments. This could be at home instead of a children’s centre or GP surgery.

So, you’re telling me while fully card-carrying females have to make do with the nearest antenatal clinic or their GP, non-reassigned
trans men can ask to be seen at home !!!

While the NHS is bulging at the seams to cope with its current burdens, let’s just pile on the pressure and send a midwife on their merry travels to see a trans man who feels threatened by attending a clinic quite rightly designed for ONLY THE FEMALE gender!!

Are they afraid to see the ridiculous irony of all this situation.

Babies are born either male or female - fact.
You cannot change your DNA and from the outside looking in, it seems that the world has gone completely bonkers in allowing the demands for equality for something that they will never entirely be .. the opposite sex.

Motto of this long winded post. If you want to have a baby as a trans man, well suck it up buttercup and do exactly what the female of the species does and just get on with it. Why do you need to have any special dispensation just because in your mind, you want to be something that you will never fully or truly be, but human biology made the decision for you before you were even born!

You're quick to throw around insults, aren't you?

I was pointing out an interesting evolution in the definition of the term 'transgender', which you could have responded to without the insults if you were interested in a discussion.

If you'd carefully read what I wrote before flying off the handle you would have seen that I was not quoting/misquoting you, I was making a general point:

"now we see statements like 'I am a transman, I don't deny that I am a biological woman but I present as a man'.
Note 'statements' in the plural, and 'statements like'.

You're not the only transman to say
Trans men don't deny our biological sex - now that is a direct quote from you.

While that is awful from Tommys, at least they advise women to stop taking testosterone while pregnant and breastfeeding.

There has been attempts to legitimise the taking of testosterone while pregnant by a government funded research panel:

“Testosterone is listed as a 'category X' substance in pregnancy in the US because of the dangers it poses to a foetus.
But a panel of experts, including three from Britain, said the current advice centres too heavily on preventing babies from developing birth defects.” 🤯

The NHS has huge loads of dos and ding for breastfeeding mothers but despite the risk to the health of the baby by ingesting testosterone - they don’t advise nursing mothers to avoid it.

“The NHS advises that taking testosterone during pregnancy isn't recommended as it 'may affect the baby's development'.
However, it adds that trans men should speak to their doctor before stopping as 'you may find being pregnant triggers feelings of gender dysphoria'. In its 'chestfeeding advice' section, officials also caution that the hormone can enter breastmilk but doesn't go as far as recommending against it.”

So I was, like, eh?

And then, oh?

And then fell asleep.

Tedious.

If you're a mother or father look after your kid.

Fuckwits.

A charity trying to normalise women calling themselves men yet doing the most female thing ever snd having a baby is not acting in the interests of the baby.

Yes these women need an ante natal care if they get pregnant but normalising kids not having a person to call mum at all is not good for those children.

At Tommys tells them not to take testosterone while pregnant. We can be thankful for small mercies.

Agree with this
why shouldn’t they provide pregnancy advice for transgender parents

They aren't normalising it, they're responding to a group of people who need ante natal care.

Spicy straight woman? Nah I'm too emotionally intelligent to be straight, I don't come on here crying about the smallest issue in my marriage which anyone can see a conversation would help.

Not sure depends on the man I suppose. Personally I tack testosterone, have a long beard and no breasts. I can no longer play my chosen sports of boxing and rugby so I've taken up ballet and rock climbing while a I'm waiting to start Rabbinical school.

The narrative hasn't changed, it's always been that trans people are aware of our biological sex, it's just you people shout into the void so much you don't manage to hear anything. The clue is, and always has been, in the names TRANSGENDER, GENDER dysmorphia and GENDER incongruence.

Nah I'm too emotionally intelligent to be straight,

An emotionally intelligent person wouldn't have posted a comment like that 😂

That’s a lot of very cheap smearing and innuendo about people you know nothing about. You have got people here very wrong if you think everyone who questions gender-ideology is also a religious fanatic or fascist.

And “hateful shrew” earlier, also really rather misogynistic and bitchy.

Do you want to engage in discussion (as is usual on the best of these boards) or have you come with pre-conceived ideas about everyone here, and are just in defensive lash-out mode? If so, I’m not sure there’s any point.

@Ymiryboo isn’t really here to debate, just to hurl insults in response to any question. I wouldn’t bother engaging.

Yeah yeah, you’re a straight woman. We get it. And?

Yes, you sound very intelligent I must say.

Wow, there's so many threads where those who are anti-trans insist it isn't about the people or about being cruel or nasty to individuals. And then along comes a thread like this proving otherwise.
If you care so much about the "poor children" then surely you support Tommy's doing what they can to reach out to their parents to provide appropriate ante natal and birth education?

On the contrary, what @MarieDeGournay says is, as usual, cogent and coherent - unlike the notion that anyone can claim to be a man while doing the very thing that men, crucially, cannot do.

You’re having your cake and eating it, aren’t you,@Ymiryboo?

You must be a very engaging and charismatic person in real life.

Nah I'm too emotionally intelligent

You hide that emotional intelligence well.

"why shouldn’t they provide pregnancy advice for transgender parents"

"they're responding to a group of people who need ante natal care."

What a tangled web we weave when at first we set out to deceive...

Now I wonder what a group of "people" needing antenatal care is called.
And what different advice goes to one part and not the other part of the same group going through the same things, all fully aware of their biology?

If there's any difference it can only be either cosmetic or ignores a risk to mother and/or baby which a healthcare body is willing to gloss over for one side or the other. Or there's been a detected statistical increased risk to one of the pregnancies.

So which one is this guidance?

Time for this

If testosterone makes Ymiry this angry with a bunch of randoms on the internet, none of whom were attacking Ymiryself when the diatribe started then I really wouldn’t recommend a rabbinical career and I feel sorry for anyone seeking pastoral care from them.

I did wonder about the rabbinical aspirations when I saw the cheap smearing of people who question the premise of changing sex (which many many trans people claim to do) as right wing bigots who would be seeking a copy of the bible alongside Mein Kampf. Presumably this includes the Old Testament.

There just seems a high level of vitriol, lashing out and a lack of interest in true communication for someone interested in becoming a spiritual teacher.

Yes, it’s uber homophobic to prioritise the interests of the baby.

You seem very agitated. I hope you’ve had a good sleep and feel better now.

Eh, I think they and other healthcare organisations have to work with what they've currently got. If you know a proportion of the pregnant population is taking testosterone, for instance, I think some tailored advice is needed to make sure their babies are as healthy as possible. Unfortunately you can't rely on people taking personal responsibility for this type of thing so it does need to be spelled out.