Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

[DiamondThrone]

No. Neither have I.

You still havent explained why you think its homophobic

I have.

No you havent 😊

I worry about you. However, I have a silver platter to hand, so here you go.

"I am saying that female prisons should only house female prisoners (including the lesbian prisoners as they are female)."

From this, you should be able to work out that separating lesbians from the other female prisoners because they are homosexual is homophobic IMO.

"If there is an issue in a prison where a prisoner is attacking other prisoners, then that will need to sorted out, as that should not be allowed to continue in female or male prisons."

From this section, you should be able to work out that any violence from one prisoner towards another should not be allowed to continue. Prisons should be set up with ways of dealing with violent prisoners and reducing violence between prisoners.

Ergo, I believe that your special prisons for homosexual women is homophobic. You would be including the non-violent lesbians in your special lesbian gulag because of their same-sex attraction.

If that doesn't help you, please refer to my previous reply about your posts being ignorant, or possibly mendacious.

I am refraining from including a gif of a sealion, but you can imagine yourself as one if you like.

@Eagle2025
Do you not understand the large differences in strength between men and women (meaning male and female adults)?

The division of prisons into male and female is the single, simplest step to take if you want to reduce the number of victims of violence in prison.

It is barbaric to lock a woman up to share a cell with a man.

That doesnt make me homophobic though which is what you were throwing at me. You say dont house transwomen with women as that is their most likely target, so on that logic I said dont house lesbians with women as that is their most likely target. You are also acknowledging in this post I'm tagging that not all lesbians would attack but not acknowledging the same for transwomen.

It doesnt make me homophobic if it doesnt make you transphobic. And I obviously didnt hint my sarcasm loud enough in my earlier post re needing lesbian prisons.

Sometimes, people like to pretend that there is no difference in strength between the sexes.

Sometimes, people put the feelings of males people before the safety of female people.

Sometimes, people just don't care about what happend to female prisoners.

Of course if you just lump everyone together that would be insane. A transwoman in a female prison with their bits cut off is very much in the minority. Lots of hard women in prison and if the transwoman isn't segregated I could actually see him being the one in danger. Especially since any transwoman with violent or sexual offences against women or children wouldnt be put with women. So they will be men convicted of lesser charges.

Well, for someone - or not - who had never thought about trans ideology and/or how it might affect anyone, Eagle has been very very busy on this thread.

I hope the effort people have put into answering him/her/it (if AI) is worth it for lurkers if nothing else.

Re the thread title, another MC bastion - Waitrose this morning. I rarely go, so don't know if they think June is over already. Was greeted by a revolving board which included the progress flag, and was fully expecting more. But nothing in the shop. Nada.

Yes busy replying to people. I have no issue with trans people.

Please refer to my previous reply about your posts being ignorant, or possibly mendacious.

"You say dont house transwomen with women as that is their most likely target"

No.
Male prisoners should be in male prisons. Transwomen are male. It is nothing to do with 'targets'. It is nothing to do with same-sex attraction. It is to do with biological sex as clarified in the EA2010.

A transwoman (biological male) who is attracted to males should be in male prison.
A transwoman (biological male) who is attracted to females should be in male prison.
A male person with no gender identity or one who says they are 'cis' (whatever their sexuality) should also be in a male prison.

We have had single-sex prisons since the campaigning work of Elizabeth Fry in the nineteenth century. The UN mandates that prisons are single-sex. There are good reasons for this which I shouldn’t have to explain.

It takes either an extraordinary degree of stupidity or deliberate mendaciousness not to understand the point.

Not really relevant what they're in for or what surgery they've had. Males should not be incarcerated with females. Why is that hard to understand?

STOP feeding the AI bot

This was meant to be a thread about flags at Glastonbury
and it has derailed you all completely

Nevertheless, a transwomen with or without “bits” is still stronger and frequently larger than a female woman. It is still inhumane to lock a female person up with a male person, especially in the same cell.
What about the rights of the female prisoner? She does not exist just to validate the gender identity of the male transwomen which is the only reason to house him in a female prison. If he is vulnerable, protect him in a vulnerable prisoner wing in the men’s estate.

Coming in late to the thread with a lot of pages to read but do you think trans are a third sex, or something? Trans people are still male or female.

Yeah, damn those womens rights, hey @kittensinthekitchen . Shouldn't women realise they must know their place and shut up?

And please point out any homophobia in this thread? I think you will find most take issue with the trans flags. Nothing to do with homosexuals or the traditional gay pride flag.

Some women are in prison for merely not pay tv licences. Many women in prison have been victims of abuse in some way.

Are you seriously saying these women DESERVE to be violated by a male?

Is that what you are seriously suggesting? Because that makes you subhuman if that is truly how cruel and inhuman your thought process is. No woman in prison deserves to be violated by a male just because she is in prison.

No one changes sex, @Eagle2025 . It's not even physically possible to alter your DNA and chromosomes. And the vast overwhelming majority don't even bother to have any surgery.

ONE, is ONE TOO MANY. How many 'tiny section' would be enough for you to recognise that the female sex are deserving of safety, privacy and dignity? Give us a number.

Lesbians are female, so belong in female prisons.

Transwomen are male, so DON'T belong in male prisons.

That should be simple enough for you to understand.

Female on female violence is equal. Male on female violence is not equal.

The last one is an odd one, isn't it?
We're told that a female prison officer with trauma should just get a grip because it's part of the job.
We're told that if women in prison are frightened (or worse) by having trans identifying males housed with them, they should just suck it up, because if they don't like it, they shouldn't have committed a crime in the first place.
We're told that a male prisoner who identifies as a woman and doesn't want to be in a men's prison should just suck it up, because if they don't like it ... oh wait, no, we aren't told that, are we? We're told that this special kind of man might be vulnerable and so must be put with the women whether the women like it or not.
Everybody knows who the men are. They're the ones who are treated as though they matter.

Exactly flags at Glastonbury and it's got down to transwomen in prisons and pretty much nothing else

That should be *don't belong in female prisons

Well hopefully the odd one will be segregated until they get all the details sorted out. Takes time to implement new procedures when faced with new issues. Same with internet security for example we are now seeing the issues and trying to figure out what to do.