anyone see Boy George on Lorraine Kelly?

[womanbornn]

a few years back, George was asking people on Twitter to leave their pronouns at the door, sounding very GC and sensible, from the standpoint of a nonconformist male in the 80’s who liked to wear makeup and dresses whilst happy to be a man and aware he’s not a woman.

Nowadays he’s going on breakfast tv mocking JK Rowling, who only replied to his bloody tweet in self defence. George started the conversation with her.

She didn’t say anything in response that wasn’t factual or on point.

And Lorraine bloody Kelly in mock bewilderment, asking “why does it always end up about toilets”
Do some bloody reading Lorraine. Open your brain. Stop pretending that you don’t understand. (in the style of Jeremy bloody Vine)

How did you acquire yours?

If TRA wanted to make a GRC meaningful for single sex spaces, they might have stood a better chance by lobbying to make it impossible for men to obtain female id without a GRC.

And then show the public in what meaningful way the GRC changes a persons sex.

Does it come from the same catalogue they use when 'assigning sex' at birth?

You have to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to qualify for a GRC. The male transexuals who have AGP don't have gender dysphoria.

I think it's kind of the other way around. It started with prisons because they stated the belief if prisons were captured everything else would follow, but women's groups have with reasonable success carved back space in prisons, sports, rape and DV services etc.

As someone else said toilets are the only spaces left that are governed more by social contract than law (although there are regulations that cover workplaces, schools etc). This is why it's the area that will/has become the ultimate pissing contest, pun intended.

It's the last power struggle of an overreaching movement that is finally being told no in most areas pertaining to single sex accommodations.

Agree with a pp that the toilet thing is absolutely the thin end of the wedge, like the boiling frog thing. It allows a stealth, slowly but surely assault on our safe spaces.

And Boy George? Wow. That sex offending twat is clocking up the airtime right now isn’t he?

He’s obviously just gripping the coat tails of JKR and trying to win more public interest.

Desperate and disappointing.

I would like to thank @GallantKumquat on another thread for this observation-

That the desire to transition is the result of an out-of-control fetish and not some innate immutable identity (like homosexuality) is politically problematic, and many find it intolerable to conceive of themselves as not being in some way the thing they most want to be: female.

Some psychiatrists say nobody has gender dysphoria because it does not 'exist'.

https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755

Which makes me wonder why the UK government decided on uncritical acceptance that it does.

To add why I think it is indeed thin end of the wedge … it’s a quiet way of appealing to people in the basis -

we just want to pee! and
we have actually been using your loos for like, forever, anyway

It has an effect of making people who perhaps feel uncomfortable objecting (but know this is wrong) and who don’t want to open themselves up to the hysterical fury of TRAs because “it’s just having a wee”?

This is certainly what I’ve observed IRL

A Lorraine the biggest fawning transmaiden of them all

Maybe they are like Pokémon? Gotta catch 'em all!

Yes - whether or not we agree, I think the case law and 2004 legislation assume a high level of gatekeeping - not just in terms of legislation but in terms of social understanding of what it means to be trans.

The campaign for Self ID ended that, and given the large number of people who identify as trans, but not as a man or a woman, there is no return.

Which is a bit of a problem if you are making arguments based on the situation in the 1990s and 2000s.

Bit C list going on Lorraine. How the mighty have fallen…

It started with prisons because

No one cares about prisoners.

I wonder if thats part of BG problem with JKR. She's famous for what she wants to be - an author. He's famous for being a star in the early 80s.

Same with Stephen Fry really. Famous for being famous. Not a brilliant author, or comedian, just is comfortable on screen.

George is regretting his mantrum at JKR.

After he called her a rich bully, she pointed out that he was rich and famous from a young age. She also pointed out that most violent crime is committed by men - like him.

Now he's trying to play it down by saying 'the internet' makes strangers argue with each other and really there should be less hate online.

Maaate

I don't understand where this idea suddenly comes from that toilets aren't important. Of course they are. Toilets are something every woman uses everyday and to have safe and accessible toilets available outside the home and at work is vital. For woman who want their toilets at work and out shopping/socialising to be free of men, toilets are an issue that concerns them every day potentially.

That woman has less strength about her than a well used sheet of bogroll that's been in a full septic tank for nine years.

BG enrages me. His twitter includes a pic of him with his dad, stating that his father had no problem with having a gay son. Indeed, his father did not take issue with his sons sexuality.

What he did do was ruthlessly and ceaselessly batter BG's mother from shortly after they met until he finally left her for another woman when the kids were all adults. BG's brother murdered his own wife.

When BG's patents were newly engaged, he beat her severely in his own family home, only stopping when his dad shouted 'will you stop beating that girl, you're keeping the whole house up' or similar.

BG comes from the most disturbing disfunction imaginable, so all the comments about his loving family are well meant ignorance. He is the product of generational abuse and he is bringing it into this generation.

You misunderstood.

The tactic used by transactivists until recently was to ensure male prisoners could be sent to womens prisons if they claimed to be transgender. This was a deliberate tactic as they reasoned that if transwomen in womens prisons were a done deal it would be much easier to also ensure usage of and entry to other womens single sex spaces.

This failed spectaculairly so they switched tactics. If toilets can be mixed sex, then start arguing for changing rooms and then for hospital wards, then rape therapy groups etc etc. Toilets is the foot in the door. I want it slammed shut as I do no trust transactivists to think of anyone but themselves.

Beware of the fifth columnists.

Also all those vulnerable women who have cause to use single sex spaces where all the women are vulnerable, also use public and work place toilets.

Old Man George is now a high priest in the Church of the Poison Mind

Presumably these days George should be renamed Girl George for “not behaving as a little boy should”. (Or Old Woman George? Hag George? Old Bag George? If he’s so keen on gendered stereotypes.)