Why is anti-trans so important?

[Elizabethbd]

So, I will preface this with saying that I’m not in the UK, and my country does not yet have the kind of anti-trans debate as there is in the English speaking world.

So, I have a hard time understanding why this is such an important question to many women.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings. Why are these issues not more important and worthy of attention, as they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)?

Plenty of men aren't a threat to women. We don't let them all in women-only spaces so what's so different about this lot? Outside their own heads they aren't any closer to being a woman than any other man.

@Eolhc1990 here's another thread you should check out, which will help you understand why you shouldn't just support this ideology uncritically.

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Why do you think WOMENS RIGHTS are 'anti trans', OP? Are you admitting that to be pro-woman = anti-trans?

What can be more important than saving female only safe spaces for rape survivors? What can be more important than fair and safe sport for girls and equal opportunities?

Not clicking on the link, but your 'gotcha' has been answered at least 3 thousand times before. You realise photoshop can do wonders? It's in person, it is in the MOTION: the gait, not just the voice, adams apple, lack of hips, square jaw, height, limb size, hand size, philtrum width etc.

You must think women are blind.

No, it's not. And there is ZERO evidence intersex people are being targeted at all. In fact, they've asked that you stop weaponising them in this debate, so for once, have some self respect for someones wishes.

I take a different approach to why trans identifying men should stay out of women's toilets. It's not based on their potential for violence, or the ratio of trans to non-trans rapists, or that they actually be straight men coming to attack us, etc etc.

I just believe in the principle of respecting other people's spaces; any man, trans or not, who uses the women's toilet should not be there, as a matter of principle.

Why do transwomen refuse to respect women's single-sex spaces and stubbornly insist on going where they know they don't belong*
and where they know they are not wanted.**

They don't have to frighten anyone or attack anyone to be in the wrong. That kind of stubborn disrespect is just wrong on principle, scary or not.

cf the UKSC ruling which is crystal clear that women's toilets are for biological women.
* women who say they don't mind sharing a toilet with transwomen are welcome to share with them in the unisex or men's toilet; they don't get to decide for the women who don't want to.

Transwomen are males with penis and testicles. How is a male "less risk" than a female? How is a fully intact male in dress, instead of a suit and tie, 'less risk' just because he's in a dress?

Did you know evidence and statistics prove that transwomen commit far greater (5 times higher I believe) sex offences than other males, @Eolhc1990 ? Transwomen are far more dangerous than any other male (perhaps look up AGP for some understanding why for some of these). Those of us on here have seen your arguments at least one thousand times before.
PS The "Violent offenders and those with a history of sexual offences" is from Canada. So there are statistics here from the UK, the US and from Canada.

"hysterical" (yeah, must be our lack of HYSTerectomy)

"screeching"

And you wonder why you lot are called out for the misogynists you are.

Any more misogynistic, chauvinist slurs you can think to throw our way, @JsmeLegie ? Shrill? Emotional? Banshees?

It's a video of a person with a dsd whose parents agreed for the surgeons to remove the internal testes when they were a baby, who was put on estrogen at puberty and had breast enhancement surgery as an adult.

There's usually a 'frothing' thrown in too.

If they're getting particularly cross, there's sometimes a few crude references to women's reproductive parts.

Trans Women are men, if you allow an exception for any man to gain access to female only services and provisions then you allow an exception for all men.

The ‘do you really think a man would go to the trouble of pretending to be a Trans Woman……’ argument is ludicrous. We know, it is proven we have implemented whole elaborate safeguarding checks around the fact that men have throughout history gone to elaborate lengths to gain access to vulnerable women and children - become priests, teachers, nurses, doctors, scouts leaders etc. Now they don’t even need to shave or wear a dress, they just need to say ‘I identify as a woman’.

I posted it for you. Males in a dress are not any more vulnerable than any other male.

Transwomen are MEN. Male. Males are 50% of the population. You don't get to take a selection of males, re-badge them as 'trans', and say they are no longer men and no longer have penis and testicles. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

Less than 8% of males remove their penis and testicles, @minnienono . And even if they do, they are still a threat height and strength wise. A de-nutted male dog is still a male dog. And how can we tell which are the safe 'transitioned' ones, @minnienono ? How do you suggest we find out? Have you got any answers for that? Besides, it's about privacy and dignity away from the male gaze. Not just safety.

With penis, testicles, prostate, height, strength, male conditioning. And no lived experience of being a member of the vulnerable oppressed sex class.

Next you'll tell us Rachel Dolezal is really an African American.

A subset of MALES are not a 'tiny minority'. And they are no less of a threat to us because they wear a dress. As a RAPE SURVIVOR, I fear a male REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE WEARS. Understood?

And, you don't have the right to give my consent away to female only safe single sex spaces away from males in a dress. You really think what a male wears makes them less dangerous? Have you never engaged critical thinking?

I don't really understand what people mean when they say they are gender fluid tbh. I don't think you can constantly change your gender identity

What is truly ignorant is you not having heard of self-ID. Most transwomen do not have any surgery or do anything. The most they do, they absolute most - is dress like a woman.

And even if they did, that trumps the rights of RAPE SURVIVORS like me, @deadpantrashcan , to female only safe single sex spaces? Because their feels are more important than my needs and rights and the needs and rights of the oppressed sex? Such an ignorant and honestly stupid myopic and misogynistic outlook.

It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yet, as I posted, transwomen are a BIGGER THREAT than other males. They are far more dangerous.

You seem to think a male's threat hinges on what they wear.

And we policed female only spaces for DECADES AND DECADES until recently. How do you think we did it all this time??

You're sounding a bit aggressive @FeistyCat @Eolhc1990 has already said several times that she now has changed her views

Some is some too many.

Being an ally to males - regardless of what they wear, is not, never has, and never will be part of feminism.

You dont have an opinion but started a thread as though you thought it wasn't an important issue?

Yes, transwomen are more likely to be convicted of a sexual crime. Our point exactly.

And what does 'straight' have to do with this? We are not talking about sexual preference here. This isn't about straight vs gay. It's about a subset of male (transwomen) vs other males.