Dj lippy, eh?

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What’s going on? Mumsnet’s being used to put terfs at risk? I don’t know what she’s talking about, can anyone show me where the thread is? https://x.com/jocastamoney/status/1935467705651576900?s=46

There has been a series of threads recently mentioning a WhatsApp group. Is that what she's referring to?

Can’t bear these opaque Public Service tweets that only the in crowd can understand.

She's just saying that if you join a WhatsApp group then everyone else in the group can see your number and possibly your name. I don't use WhatsApp so I have no idea if this is true.

Huh? That's just how WhatsApp works

How is it a "safeguarding failure"?

Surely anyone who uses WhatsApp is aware that their name and phone number are involved, if not then they probably shouldn't be let loose with an internet enabled device in the first place.

That's what I thought @SerfnTerf and it's why I don't use WhatsApp, because you don't know who's going to have access to your number and name. The people I know who do use it don't seem to be bothered about this.

As you say, anyone who uses it knows that they're making their details public to an unlimited number of people, so shouldn't need warning about this.

Perhaps she knows that bad actors are targeting Mumsnet to get personal details out of people. I wouldn’t be so quick to handwave it away. There have been several mass doxxings that I’ve seen.

I trust DJ and Aja much more than some of the more recent names, put it that way.

Given that the “in crowd” here appear to be victims of doxxing, are you sure you’d want to be one of the cool kids on this occasion?

I’m afraid I still don’t understand what’s going on, including your post!

Just be clear!

I don’t know what they’re referring to either but I’ve seen TRAs successfully phish for personal information and use it to doxx women before. DJ Lippy and Aja are generally sound.

I don't know DJ Lippy but Aja's sound.

Not sure what's going on with that TwiX thread but wouldn't be surprised if there are those who try to doxx women via MN.

It might refer to the recent discussions around lesbian only march / picnic / space where I think there was some mention of a whatsapp group - put only post verification...

whatsapp will give your phone number to others in the group, however, on its own that won't necessarily reveal who you are - it can put up potential name with a question mark which will reveal a bit more - but it still doesn't give away home address / occupation / etc. - though it might be possible to join that information up online...

Any information you put out into the public sphere anywhere might identify you - if that is an issue, don't do it.

What it is not is 'a safeguarding issue' there is nothing in that about vulnerable adults or minors, so safeguarding it is not - maybe a GDPR issue would have made more sense as a claim - however, even that would be inaccurate if someone gives their information voluntarily...

It is a good reminder that you should be cautious about taking people at face value online and be sensible about what information you share - beyond that it is a little bit alarmist... If no-one ever shared / joined each other there would be no gardening / there would have been no FWS / there would have been no SC judgement...

I totally get where DJ Lippy is coming from.

WhatsApp shows your phone number but as far as names are concerned it is much the same as Mumsnet, up to a point.

You choose your "WhatsApp Profile Name" (the Display Name) - which can be anything you want and you can change it as often as you like (just like Mumsnet).

However, if someone has your phone number in their own "Contacts" with your real name then on WhatsApp they will see the name that they have entered into their own Contacts, not your WhatsApp Profile name.

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If you do not have someone's number in your own contacts then what you see is the person's WhatsApp Profile Name preceded by a tilde ~

Example:

~ Mrs Tiggy Winkle: WhatsApp Profile Name as it appears to anyone who does not have "Mrs Tiggy Winkle's" phone number in their own Contacts.

Sarah (Gym): what person A has entered in their own Contacts for that phone number.

Polly's Mum: what person B has entered into their own Contacts for that phone number.

Basingstoke TERF 2: what person C (a TRA infiltrator?) has entered into their own Contacts for that phone number.

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Unless you already have the phone numbers of all the other members of a WhatsApp Group advertised on Mumsnet in your own Contacts (highly unlikely) then you do not know who, for example, this really is:

~ Hermione Granger
(or substitute any non-fictional "real sounding" name of your choosing).

Maybe there are people who have that number in their Contacts as:

Sarah JB

Tiffany (was Andrew)

(So many more examples I could choose. Basically, it could be anyone.)

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YOUR WHATSAPP PROFILE NAME

If for perfectly normal reasons you have set your WhatsApp Profile Name as your real name and your real name is, for example, "Anne Jones" then everyone in the Group will see ~ Anne Jones and likely assume that that is your real name: so they will have:

a) what they assume is your real name (Anne Jones)
plus
b) definitely your phone number.

How to edit your profile
https://faq.whatsapp.com/859240711908360/

Also check out:

How to change your privacy settings
https://faq.whatsapp.com/3307102709559968/

(There are also workarounds to hide your WhatsApp Profile Name completely but WhatsApp does not tell you how to do that.)

TRUST

There has been a lot of research on this.

People tend to trust other people when they are in the same Chat Group together because this gives a false sense of security. This applies to all sorts of closed or semi-closed groups, online (and in real life too), eg. "hobby groups".

People tend to trust another person even more if they then engage in one-to-one conversations with them because a false sense of "intimacy" is generated. This happens even when there is no "Group" involved, eg. DMs/PMs on any platform.

If you are contacted by someone you only know because they are in the same WhatsApp Group as you, especially if members have not been vetted in some way before being allowed to join, be VERY cautious.

Finally, even if you are confident that everyone in the Group is a fellow "TERF", you cannot guarantee that everyone can be trusted to keep a confidence, whether accidentally or on purpose. There is also absolutely no guarantee that someone will not share screenshots outside the Group.

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I hope that all makes sense.

BTW I was late coming to WhatsApp so I RTFM. Most people seem to have been using it much longer than me but skipped that stage and just dived straight in.

Dj Lippy is a troublemaker and so is Aja. Their level of self satisfaction is extremely irritating. What on earth is Lippy talking about in this post? She has been in hundreds of photos. She doesn’t need to be anonymous and she certainly isn’t anonymous

Ummmm…. No.

Accusations are admissions…

Thanks. I was looking for a thread about WhatsApp and wondering if I had given my phone number accidentally to mumsnet. I think DJ was probably tweeting to women in her group rather than a warning for randomers like me

It's easy to join chat groups but, unless you know the individuals in real life, it's safer not to say the truth as the tide may be turning but the wave of reality hasn't crashed down. Young damaged individuals suing the NHS for £££ will probably do that.

🙄

Citation needed

Citation for her self satisfaction @SidewaysOtter ? Or citation for all the photos she’s been in? Just have a Quick Look on her x and you’ll see both

DJ Lippy has been sticking up for women since it were fields. I’d listen to her. She’s right. Good point about the editing you can do in your contacts - thanks

Dj Lippy is a troublemaker and so is Aja.

Trouble for who?

Indeed...

Self satisfied? Just standing up for women’s rights.

Careful, your misogyny (internalised or otherwise) is showing.

I do think it’s a reasonable warning re WhatsApp groups. They can be used to maliciously dox people. She’s using “safeguarding” not specifically for vulnerable adults/children but just to mean a safety issue.