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Igneococcus · 19/06/2025 09:01

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:59

ah, they’re a he, are they? This explains a lot.

I actually don't know that for certain but I would be very surprised if they weren't.
Someone must have left the gates at Reddit open.

cheesycheesy · 19/06/2025 09:02

He’s always given me the creeps. Overrated idiot

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 09:02

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

Would you mind providing examples where JK Rowling has 'attacked individuals' where she has not been responding directly to an individual who has been abusive towards her?

I look forward to it because over a series of threads now where I have asked for this, if you answered, you would be the first person to do so.

Or, are you supporting the people who abuse her and expecting her to just keep absorbing the direct abuse? And if that is what you are doing, why should she just keep absorbing the direct abuse from abusive male people?

DiamondThrone · 19/06/2025 09:02

RedBeech · 19/06/2025 09:00

Well said. I've always thought he doesn't really see women, not as fully human. He doesn't want to shag us so no need to make any effort to engage with us; he was reared to believe that a public-school form of quipping, glib, facetious cleverness is the highest form of intelligence and wit, and women tend not to bother with that pompous art-fart, so we must be inferior. But mainly I think we pass right under his radar.

A lot of gay men don't care about non-transwomen at all. Until they want to rent our wombs, then they suddenly know what a woman is.

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:02

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 09:02

Would you mind providing examples where JK Rowling has 'attacked individuals' where she has not been responding directly to an individual who has been abusive towards her?

I look forward to it because over a series of threads now where I have asked for this, if you answered, you would be the first person to do so.

Or, are you supporting the people who abuse her and expecting her to just keep absorbing the direct abuse? And if that is what you are doing, why should she just keep absorbing the direct abuse from abusive male people?

they’re unable to find something which doesn’t exist!

socialdilemmawhattodo · 19/06/2025 09:04

ZeusandClio · 19/06/2025 08:18

Wow, unsympathetic article. The author sounds biased, strange from the Daily Mail who are normally quite good on this subject.

Yes the whole article had a very strange tone.

Bunniesnotbullies · 19/06/2025 09:04

Steven Fry needs to get his attention from somewhere, he's not getting quite so many imaginary dinner invitations nowadays.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 19/06/2025 09:05

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

Thank you for your posts I needed a good laugh this morning.

If you are not a politician, you should be.

You have completely mastered the art of vacuous phraseology intended to obfuscate the total lack of meaningful content whilst conveying a vague undeserved sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

TL:DR pompous male bovine excrement

CatsMagic · 19/06/2025 09:05

Oh dear, is this the bitterness of a man who wanted a role and didn’t get one in the HP series ?

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 09:06

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

@Christmasmorale She DEFENDS herself. Certain individuals, such as India Willoughby stalk her feeds and attack her. She DEFENDS herself. You are DARVOing and attacking the victim.

Males in dresses are NOT 'vulnerable' at all. They are the oppressor sex class.

She has never once, not....once, equated transgenderism with rape of women. Please stop making up defamatory lies on the spot. And please stop using misogynistic slurs such as 'hysteria' when scolding women for merely defending themselves.

Cabbageheads · 19/06/2025 09:06

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

How are men who want to access female only spaces where teenage girls are undressing 'vulnerable?'

HPFA · 19/06/2025 09:06

Never been that keen on him, honestly.

I saw a programme he did about gay rights in Africa and his attitude was very much "I'm the clever white man coming to tell you about how backward you all are".

Obviously I agreed with the cause he was promoting but I couldn't think that his attitude was very helpful.

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:08

honestly I don’t know why JK has restrained herself from suing the shit out of people who make endlessly defamatory comments.

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:08

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:00

yes, I’ve done that. Poor me. I’m so confused. I haven’t found anything controversial or anything which contravenes sensible mainstream opinion. So would you mind giving me a few examples of specific quotes and comments she’s made which you find offensive? Thanks so much.

Then that's on you. If you cannot see what is wrong with them. I no longer do that job on race discussion and will not on this - if people are blind to obvious hate then that's their problem not mine to fix.

I know many people from great organisations who lobby and push policies to protect women from the impact of sharing spaces/sports with trans women, and every time JKR tweets and attacks individuals some of them are nervous as it has a direct impact on the work behind the scenes, and makes reasonable proposals seem hysterical (since many associate this part of the women's rights movement with JKR late night tweets).

EasternStandard · 19/06/2025 09:08

Can’t read his nonsense atm but agree with thread title

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 09:09

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

I'm sure you don't understand a word of what ChatGPT just gave you.

NiceoneSonny · 19/06/2025 09:10

"Stephen Fry Is A Misogynistic Wanker Shocker!" Hold the front page! Not.

ThatCyanCat · 19/06/2025 09:10

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

Your posts sound like what ChatGPT would do if fed a mixture of my teenage diaries and my dad's pseudo-intellectual self-righteous rants.

SmugglersHaunt · 19/06/2025 09:10

Makes my flesh crawl. Malcolm Clark's Twitter thread on Fry's 'leanings' makes very interesting reading

BlueEyedBogWitch · 19/06/2025 09:10

Stephen Fry does not give a single fuck about women. I doubt they rarely penetrate his rarified bubble, unless it’s to provide him with a very lucrative job, as JK Rowling has.

Of course he’s not going to see our point of view. I doubt he’s even aware we have one. We’re sort of just there, to people like him, as vaguely annoying help-meets, who leak from peculiar places, and have inconvenient feelings and opinions, if one makes the mistake of lingering too long around them.

Fuck him. Fuck him, and everything he stands for. He’s what you’d get if you ordered Robert Robertson from Temu.

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 09:10

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:58

@LimeFinch are you not coming back to the thread you started to answer all the responses to your post?

No? Hmm. I wonder why? 🤔

There's a thread this account started? Cool.

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:10

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:08

Then that's on you. If you cannot see what is wrong with them. I no longer do that job on race discussion and will not on this - if people are blind to obvious hate then that's their problem not mine to fix.

I know many people from great organisations who lobby and push policies to protect women from the impact of sharing spaces/sports with trans women, and every time JKR tweets and attacks individuals some of them are nervous as it has a direct impact on the work behind the scenes, and makes reasonable proposals seem hysterical (since many associate this part of the women's rights movement with JKR late night tweets).

wow! You really can’t explain yourself. You admit that you can’t. But you continue to defame and defame and defame.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:11

HPFA · 19/06/2025 09:06

Never been that keen on him, honestly.

I saw a programme he did about gay rights in Africa and his attitude was very much "I'm the clever white man coming to tell you about how backward you all are".

Obviously I agreed with the cause he was promoting but I couldn't think that his attitude was very helpful.

Sounds v similar to what he's doing to women here

NoAlarmsRequired · 19/06/2025 09:11

MeanMrMustardSeed · 19/06/2025 08:07

Agreed! Couldn’t have put it better myself.

Seconded!

BlueEyedBogWitch · 19/06/2025 09:11

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:08

Then that's on you. If you cannot see what is wrong with them. I no longer do that job on race discussion and will not on this - if people are blind to obvious hate then that's their problem not mine to fix.

I know many people from great organisations who lobby and push policies to protect women from the impact of sharing spaces/sports with trans women, and every time JKR tweets and attacks individuals some of them are nervous as it has a direct impact on the work behind the scenes, and makes reasonable proposals seem hysterical (since many associate this part of the women's rights movement with JKR late night tweets).

Nice swerve. Do you play rugby?

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