Page 3 | Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

Absentmindedsmile · 2025-06-19T07:06:14+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html]] Yuk.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:51

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

This is absolute nonsense though. Where has she attacked individuals and incited hatred. Evidence pls.

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:51

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

could you please provide direct quotes and specific examples of words JK has actually used herself instead of repeating what you’ve heard from your friend on a Pride march or on a reddit forum? I’ll wait…

Kinsters · 19/06/2025 08:53

Ooo have we moved on from "shut up your concerns are not valid" to "shut up your concerns may be valid but you didn't say it nicely"? That feels like progress.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:53

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:34

Wow. I can practically see the waving pitchforks and smell the flaming brands from here.

Threads like this really are a ghoulishly fascinating, and anthropologically interesting, study of the ignorant, hateful, pack mentality that has come to typify so many areas of the internet.

I'd give my own views on the estimable, esteemed - and universally beloved by thinking human beings - Mr Fry, but suspect doing so will only further enrage the witch-burning cultists.

Actually, it might be fun to do so anyway; in much the same way you might wind a toy and watch it trundle across the floor in monomaniacal obsession...

Absolutely right my friend. These stupid women need to button it with their own opinions and let the learned men do the talking for them. Their silly little brains dont know what's good for them

Amirite?

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:54

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:51

This is absolute nonsense though. Where has she attacked individuals and incited hatred. Evidence pls.

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they hope that if they repeat it often enough, it will stick and become received wisdom that JK is hateful.
Anyone who ever bothered to read her actual words
knows how utterly ridiculous this is.

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

Zonder · 19/06/2025 08:55

TheaBrandt1 · 19/06/2025 08:30

They are normally quite good on this subject? Assume you are one of those “only the Guardian is an acceptable newspaper” types.

I think you got that the wrong way round, unless you're trying to make a joke. Daily Mail fans don't usually rate the Guardian.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:55

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

Oh my god, I just died laughing

😭😭😭

OvaHere · 19/06/2025 08:55

'So I am very happy to go on the record to say that I am really angry about that. My view about all things of sharp and difficult nature is that is is much more important to be effective than to be right.'

What do we suppose he means by this? The Supreme Court case has been the most effective thing in about a decade.

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:56

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

so you’ve still got precisely nothing and don’t want to defend your baseless and defamatory accusations? Wow.

HermioneWeasley · 19/06/2025 08:56

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

Please provide examples of the allegations you’ve made

Kinsters · 19/06/2025 08:57

OvaHere · 19/06/2025 08:55

'So I am very happy to go on the record to say that I am really angry about that. My view about all things of sharp and difficult nature is that is is much more important to be effective than to be right.'

What do we suppose he means by this? The Supreme Court case has been the most effective thing in about a decade.

Plus it's a lot easier for him to be "effective" when he bears precisely zero consequences for that effectiveness. How cowardly.

BettyBooper · 19/06/2025 08:58

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:55

The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well, I see.

I reiterate my earlier stance; it's anthropologically fascinating to watch.

As fascinating to watch as Stephen Fry doing an enormous back-pedal last year on 'trans rights', and since JKR gave him short shrift doing yet another 180?

Igneococcus · 19/06/2025 08:58

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:56

so you’ve still got precisely nothing and don’t want to defend your baseless and defamatory accusations? Wow.

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I think Limey only found out about the Dunning Kruger effect very recently and is now throwing it around with abandon to show how clever he is.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 08:58

@LimeFinch are you not coming back to the thread you started to answer all the responses to your post?

No? Hmm. I wonder why? 🤔

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 08:58

BundleBoogie · 19/06/2025 08:21

He is monumentally confused :

'I disagree profoundly with her on this subject. I am angry she does not disavow some of the more revolting and truly horrible, destructive violently destructive things that people say. She does not attack those at all.

He is supporting the side that are revolting and truly horrible, saying violently destructive things though 🤷‍♀️

'She has crowed at the success of legislation in Scotland and elsewhere declaring things about gender.

’Crowing’ nice bit of misogyny there.

'So I am very happy to go on the record to say that I am really angry about that. My view about all things of sharp and difficult nature is that is is much more important to be effective than to be right.'

WTH!! So he knows he’s wrong but would rather be effective?? Effective at what??

What a repulsive little man.

"He is supporting the side that are revolting and truly horrible, saying violently destructive things though"

I don't think that has occurred to him though...

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:59

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:51

could you please provide direct quotes and specific examples of words JK has actually used herself instead of repeating what you’ve heard from your friend on a Pride march or on a reddit forum? I’ll wait…

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Go though her X page - I won't do that job for you. I had to unfollow her as I think she has steered so far from her original stance which I thought was very courageous at the time.

Now she is to the trans discourse what Laurence Fox is to immigration/ anything foreign issues - no nuance, no compassion, just extremes and witty one liners. In that sense, I agree with Stephen Fry that she has hardened over time.

javyd · 19/06/2025 08:59

Igneococcus · 19/06/2025 08:58

I think Limey only found out about the Dunning Kruger effect very recently and is now throwing it around with abandon to show how clever he is.

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ah, they’re a he, are they? This explains a lot.

Blinkagain · 19/06/2025 08:59

I rather like him

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 08:59

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:34

Wow. I can practically see the waving pitchforks and smell the flaming brands from here.

Threads like this really are a ghoulishly fascinating, and anthropologically interesting, study of the ignorant, hateful, pack mentality that has come to typify so many areas of the internet.

I'd give my own views on the estimable, esteemed - and universally beloved by thinking human beings - Mr Fry, but suspect doing so will only further enrage the witch-burning cultists.

Actually, it might be fun to do so anyway; in much the same way you might wind a toy and watch it trundle across the floor in monomaniacal obsession...

Step away from ChatGPT....

Tiredofwhataboutery · 19/06/2025 08:59

It’s a shame really. I was a big P.G.Wodehouse fan and always imagined it being read in Jeeves’ dry tones in my own head.

I do think he was a decent actor he became less funny and more pompous as years went on. I think he was recategorised to wankbadger category a good few years ago.

Igneococcus · 19/06/2025 09:00

I have never forgiven him for ruining Gosford Park. Petty, I know but I don't care.

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:00

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:59

Go though her X page - I won't do that job for you. I had to unfollow her as I think she has steered so far from her original stance which I thought was very courageous at the time.

Now she is to the trans discourse what Laurence Fox is to immigration/ anything foreign issues - no nuance, no compassion, just extremes and witty one liners. In that sense, I agree with Stephen Fry that she has hardened over time.

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yes, I’ve done that. Poor me. I’m so confused. I haven’t found anything controversial or anything which contravenes sensible mainstream opinion. So would you mind giving me a few examples of specific quotes and comments she’s made which you find offensive? Thanks so much.

RedBeech · 19/06/2025 09:00

yourhairiswinterfire · 19/06/2025 08:18

Howling that he thinks a woman who has spent decades setting up charities for and working with vulnerable women could only believe that women are entitled to our own rights and protections because she's been "radicalised" by feminists.

No Stephen. Women are human too, we have rights that need to be considered too, the world and the Equality Act doesn't revolve around what some men want. Get over it.

Well said. I've always thought he doesn't really see women, not as fully human. He doesn't want to shag us so no need to make any effort to engage with us; he was reared to believe that a public-school form of quipping, glib, facetious cleverness is the highest form of intelligence and wit, and women tend not to bother with that pompous art-fart, so we must be inferior. But mainly I think we pass right under his radar.

DiamondThrone · 19/06/2025 09:00

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 08:50

It's not misogynistic. JK Rowling's views go beyond just political stance/ personal beliefs - she attacks individuals and incites hatred against an already vulnerable group of people. If she was any other race there's no way she could get away with how she's carrying on and I doubt you mumsnetters would defend the extremities of her approach - she benefits from white privilege in that regard.

There are many organisations who defend the rights of women without being hateful and equating transgenderism with rape of women etc. Similar narratives were used by people against gay marriage. Her points (some of which are very valid) can be made without hysteria and hatred.

She benefits from being right, not white.