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TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:21

Ah so now we're pulling out the race card, in a situation that has nothing to do with race, in an attempt to signal ourselves as the 'good people'

Because we can't actually provide any evidence for what we asserted.

BettyBooper · 19/06/2025 09:22

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:14

I have never really liked Stephen Fry but this interview makes me see him in a whole new light. I agree with him and am glad he has spoken out.

Like Fry I feel stuck between two camps. I have friends who have trans DC’s and friends who are trans. I have complicated feelings about some of the issues such as unfair advantages in sports etc. and the way that some trans people seek to inhabit some cis female spaces (not bothered by toilets etc but am concerned about therapeutic spaces where women recovering from male violence might have to share space with someone who lived most of their life as male) But the way some people were “crowing” after the Supreme Court decision, as though they were football hooligans celebrating a team win…Well, I gained new clarity after that. I can’t stand some of the attitudes expressed towards trans women and men.

Good for Fry for poking his head above the parapet. I brace myself for the flak and insults that are coming my way.

Yes, how dare women celebrate that their rights were upheld after guys with fetishes tried to say they were biological women in law.

I listened to a podcast yesterday where a guy complained that JKR was not 'classy' enough after the result. 🙄

Do you hear yourself?

viques · 19/06/2025 09:22

Pricelessadvice · 19/06/2025 08:49

I’ve never understood why so many people seem to like Stephen Fry. There’s always been something abhorrent about him.

I agree, I always think he and Jeremy Clarkson are cut from the same cloth. Pompous misogynists with over inflated egos who think having a good memory
for facts and a loud voice excuses you having both the emotional intelligence of a slug and the charm of a dog turd you have accidentally walked into your house on the bottom of your ridged sole trainers.

DiamondThrone · 19/06/2025 09:22

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:21

he didn’t get involved because he’s not as fearless as JK

And he saw what happened to Glinner

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:22

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:20

You don't have to believe me, doesn't make a difference to the work I do or the reality at hand. But while you're here commenting, we're here making an actual difference to the women and girls who need the protection - rather than arguing online. I don't have to defend myself and I will not ever sink to JKR's approach on any issue I care about.

She's achieved infinitely more to help women and girls than you will ever be able to.

Iamacatslave · 19/06/2025 09:22

Obnoxious and vile man.

Justwrong68 · 19/06/2025 09:24

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 19/06/2025 08:14

Also Fry totally panders to his audience - he flip flops on JKR and trans issues all the time. Not just misogynistic, but totally lacking in any principles of his own.

What has he said in the past?

DiamondThrone · 19/06/2025 09:24

viques · 19/06/2025 09:22

I agree, I always think he and Jeremy Clarkson are cut from the same cloth. Pompous misogynists with over inflated egos who think having a good memory
for facts and a loud voice excuses you having both the emotional intelligence of a slug and the charm of a dog turd you have accidentally walked into your house on the bottom of your ridged sole trainers.

God, I'd far rather spend an evening with Clarkson than Fry!

But obvs I would choose JKR over either of them 😁

Gloriia · 19/06/2025 09:24

'have never really liked Stephen Fry'

No me neither. He'll get his arse handed to him about this and will no doubt have a group hug with Boy George about those very nasty women pointing out the inconvenient truth.

Absentmindedsmile · 19/06/2025 09:24

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:34

Wow. I can practically see the waving pitchforks and smell the flaming brands from here.

Threads like this really are a ghoulishly fascinating, and anthropologically interesting, study of the ignorant, hateful, pack mentality that has come to typify so many areas of the internet.

I'd give my own views on the estimable, esteemed - and universally beloved by thinking human beings - Mr Fry, but suspect doing so will only further enrage the witch-burning cultists.

Actually, it might be fun to do so anyway; in much the same way you might wind a toy and watch it trundle across the floor in monomaniacal obsession...

Stephen? Is that you?

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TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:24

BettyBooper · 19/06/2025 09:22

Yes, how dare women celebrate that their rights were upheld after guys with fetishes tried to say they were biological women in law.

I listened to a podcast yesterday where a guy complained that JKR was not 'classy' enough after the result. 🙄

Do you hear yourself?

Yes JKR needs to be more classy.

Meanwhile this is all fine. Decaptitate a TERF anyone?

terfisaslur.com

PaterPower · 19/06/2025 09:24

My view about all things of sharp and difficult nature is that is is much more important to beeee kiiiiiiind effective than to be right.

^^ What he really means.

He likes to pretend he’s edgy, but he’s far too worried about having his career cancelled and nobody ‘important,’ (to him), gives a shit if you insult a woman.

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 09:25

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:17

Wish I did but actually just exhausted arguing with white mumsnetters online - I've learnt from threads about race that it's exhausting and not a worthwhile way to spend my morning. I wanted to comment just to put an alternative view to the echo chamber that has become mumsnet feminist threads, not to have to trawl through tweets from someone I actively unfollowed due to the content of those tweets.

Trans-ideology can lead to less protection for biological women who need safe spaces need, but JKR is a bit of a bully. Both can be true at the same time.

So ... you cannot provide any evidence to support your accusations?

That sounds more like you existing in an echo chamber is what is true and your accusation of FWR being an echo chamber is just another false accusation.

If your alternative view cannot be substantiated, your accusations are coming across as hypocritical.

DiamondThrone · 19/06/2025 09:25

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 09:20

You don't have to believe me, doesn't make a difference to the work I do or the reality at hand. But while you're here commenting, we're here making an actual difference to the women and girls who need the protection - rather than arguing online. I don't have to defend myself and I will not ever sink to JKR's approach on any issue I care about.

Good. Off you pop then, and do your good work.

We'll just sit here commenting online, moving the Overton Window one post at a time...

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:26

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:21

Ah so now we're pulling out the race card, in a situation that has nothing to do with race, in an attempt to signal ourselves as the 'good people'

Because we can't actually provide any evidence for what we asserted.

in my eyes it does have something to do with race. People who have suffered discrimination understand what it looks and feels like. That engenders sympathy in some cases. That is what makes this issue so thorny and complicated. Many women understand this. Like @Christmasmorale I feel that trying to have a discussion about this can be emotionally draining.

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 19/06/2025 09:26

What a very pompous and unpleasant man. Ironically, he's not being kind or effective. Nor is he right

andjustwhatfreshhellisthis · 19/06/2025 09:27

"Then that's on you. If you cannot see what is wrong with them. I no longer do that job on race discussion and will not on this - if people are blind to obvious hate then that's their problem not mine to fix." @Christmasmorale

Seems you have a problem to fix. You're clearly blind to the hate that the TRA rant at women, while shouting through a loud hailer with their tops off/undone...but that kind of hate is ok is it? Riiiiight...

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:27

Gloriia · 19/06/2025 09:24

'have never really liked Stephen Fry'

No me neither. He'll get his arse handed to him about this and will no doubt have a group hug with Boy George about those very nasty women pointing out the inconvenient truth.

But I admire him for taking a stance on this.

please do not misquote me.

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 09:27

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Jackreacherstrousers · 19/06/2025 09:27

I wonder if Sir Stephen will be donating all those delicious royalties from the Harry Potter audio books to a trans charity?🤔 Along with those made by the ridiculously woke actors from the films.?
I'm guessing these PC chuntering, JK bashing idiots are not that principled!

EsmaCannonball · 19/06/2025 09:27

Women get radicalised by life.

That aside, I know a couple of people who encountered him and he is very 'Don't you know who I am?'

Gloriia · 19/06/2025 09:28

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:26

in my eyes it does have something to do with race. People who have suffered discrimination understand what it looks and feels like. That engenders sympathy in some cases. That is what makes this issue so thorny and complicated. Many women understand this. Like @Christmasmorale I feel that trying to have a discussion about this can be emotionally draining.

It's actually quite bizarre that people allegedly of colour would equate their experiences with men dressing up as women and demanding women's rights Confused

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 09:28

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:26

in my eyes it does have something to do with race. People who have suffered discrimination understand what it looks and feels like. That engenders sympathy in some cases. That is what makes this issue so thorny and complicated. Many women understand this. Like @Christmasmorale I feel that trying to have a discussion about this can be emotionally draining.

People who have suffered discrimination understand what it looks and feels like.

You mean like the female sex? Right? Who have suffered discrimination by males, the oppressor sex class, that you are trying to make out they are victims the moment they don a dress and slap on some lippy.

That engenders sympathy in some cases.

So where is your sympathy for the female sex, instead of being on your knees for the patriarchy?

2021x · 19/06/2025 09:28

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:27

But I admire him for taking a stance on this.

please do not misquote me.

Why?

I don’t care that he disagrees but he isn’t really “taking a stance”. He won’t lose anything by what he has said.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2025 09:29

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 09:26

in my eyes it does have something to do with race. People who have suffered discrimination understand what it looks and feels like. That engenders sympathy in some cases. That is what makes this issue so thorny and complicated. Many women understand this. Like @Christmasmorale I feel that trying to have a discussion about this can be emotionally draining.

What are you trying to say here?

Women have faced discrimination at the hands of men since the dawn of time. Men gaslighting us that they deserve to be in our spaces and we're bigots for disagreeing, is just another bloody manifestation.

Thankfully JKR has no qualms in calling that out.

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