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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

My DD hates that I’m a TERF!

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TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 20:59

My teenage DD says she is embarrassed of my GC views. I’ve tried to educate her on women’s spaces, women’s sports etc but she doesn’t agree with me and says I embarrass her with my views and not to expect her to want to spend time with me when she leaves home. I’m gutted but she will not change my mind. I’ve told her that my views are that a person cannot change sex but she has some trans friends and thinks that I hate trans people. I absolutely do not hate trans people but I do not think that TWAW and as such shouldn’t be welcome in women’s only spaces. Please help me navigate this. I fear that she will hate me because of my views but I cannot accept her views but I don’t want her to be embarrassed of me either 😕

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Maray1967 · 18/06/2025 21:12

I’m afraid you will embarrass your teen - that’s par for the course with teens … you’re her parent not her friend.

What you’re saying is the legal position, recently confirmed in court. But - I’d stop trying to educate her on this matter. You will not win. Stop mentioning it, and close down conversation if she raises it trying to draw you into an argument.

She might change her mind or she might not. You can’t demand that she spends time at home with you when she’s an adult. But she might come to realise that things are actually pretty good at home. This might well blow over so I’d try to minimise discussion.

If she becomes very unpleasant on the matter, and I was you, I might go for a tougher response, depending on her personality. If I thought she was basically goading me, then I’d make it clear that parental contribution to university accommodation etc is dependent on decent, respectful behaviour.

If she has genuinely been sucked in by it, and you’re worried about her mental health, then I’d seek some professional advice.

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:17

‘Seek medical advice’ 😂😂😂

maybe open your mind to her perspective, given that you’re her parent and could set a great example of open mindedness- the Trans Issue is a good place to start.

DrJump · 18/06/2025 21:25

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:17

‘Seek medical advice’ 😂😂😂

maybe open your mind to her perspective, given that you’re her parent and could set a great example of open mindedness- the Trans Issue is a good place to start.

But her daughter's perspective is not based in reality is it? Human can not change sex. .
Teens should not be given false information

Meadowfinch · 18/06/2025 21:28

Don't worry, OP. My ds is appalled at my views and my liking for JK Rowling. He says I am wrong, that I am cruel etc etc. I've simply said we will have to agree to disagree.

He's 16. He is kind and gentle and has never experienced cruelty or violence. He still has a rosy view of the world, as I'm sure your dd has.

But he'll go to university or college and eventually one of his new female friends will confide that she's been attacked, and then he'll start to realise that not all men are like him, and in reality a fair proportion of men are pretty nasty, cannot be trusted and that's why single sex spaces are so important. That a man in a dress is still a man.

Your dd will work it out too. She may not admit it immediately, but she will.

You just have to continue to be calm and honest with her. Science is not something to get heated about. Truth is truth.

GCAcademic · 18/06/2025 21:31

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:17

‘Seek medical advice’ 😂😂😂

maybe open your mind to her perspective, given that you’re her parent and could set a great example of open mindedness- the Trans Issue is a good place to start.

It’s good to open your mind, but not so much that your brain falls out.

parietal · 18/06/2025 21:33

I’d start with the religion analogy. Some people believe TWAW. some people are gender critical. Some people believe Jesus is the son of god. Others don’t. We live in a pluralistic and tolerant society where different people with different beliefs can still be friends. So ask if she can be friends with someone with different beliefs. And if not, why not?

give her time and space to think, don’t expect to change her mind. Just listen and work towards a state where you agree to disagree.

later as she gets older, she may move closer to your point of view.

lechiffre55 · 18/06/2025 21:36

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:17

‘Seek medical advice’ 😂😂😂

maybe open your mind to her perspective, given that you’re her parent and could set a great example of open mindedness- the Trans Issue is a good place to start.

How did "seek some professional advice" become ‘Seek medical advice’?
Freudian slip perhaps? Always chosing the medical path.....

CurlewKate · 18/06/2025 21:36

I just don’t talk about it with my adult children-I’m too scared of losing them. I imagine how I would have felt if I had discovered my parents were racist or homophobic. That’s exactly how it would be for them.

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:37

DrJump · 18/06/2025 21:25

But her daughter's perspective is not based in reality is it? Human can not change sex. .
Teens should not be given false information

Her perspective is based on ‘gender’ not ‘sex’, hence the term ‘transgender’.

again, reading a perspective different to your own might help.

Mmmnotsure · 18/06/2025 21:37

lechiffre55 · 18/06/2025 21:36

How did "seek some professional advice" become ‘Seek medical advice’?
Freudian slip perhaps? Always chosing the medical path.....

Or just the usual inability to be accurate/truthful.

Mounjaronew · 18/06/2025 21:42

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 20:59

My teenage DD says she is embarrassed of my GC views. I’ve tried to educate her on women’s spaces, women’s sports etc but she doesn’t agree with me and says I embarrass her with my views and not to expect her to want to spend time with me when she leaves home. I’m gutted but she will not change my mind. I’ve told her that my views are that a person cannot change sex but she has some trans friends and thinks that I hate trans people. I absolutely do not hate trans people but I do not think that TWAW and as such shouldn’t be welcome in women’s only spaces. Please help me navigate this. I fear that she will hate me because of my views but I cannot accept her views but I don’t want her to be embarrassed of me either 😕

Mine is the same. :-(

GenderRealistBloke · 18/06/2025 21:45

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:37

Her perspective is based on ‘gender’ not ‘sex’, hence the term ‘transgender’.

again, reading a perspective different to your own might help.

reading a perspective different to your own might help.

I agree with you here.

Which GC writers have you found most helpful? And which gender ideologist writers would you recommend?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/06/2025 21:46

"...not to expect her to want to spend time with me when she leaves home."

I see she's up to speed with the emotional blackmail gambit, she must be learning lots from her 'friends', it's a pity it's all the wrong stuff.

Teenagers will be teenagers though, she'll grow up, you haven't lost her yet.

Mounjaronew · 18/06/2025 21:46

CurlewKate · 18/06/2025 21:36

I just don’t talk about it with my adult children-I’m too scared of losing them. I imagine how I would have felt if I had discovered my parents were racist or homophobic. That’s exactly how it would be for them.

In my experience they do relate it to racism and homophobia which it isn’t. I’m not sure how to convey that. They have lost their minds to trans ideology.

Screamingabdabz · 18/06/2025 21:48

I would absolutely rip the piss out of them. Then watch them try to pay for their own uni education without my support. Not happening. Suck it up buttercup. People can’t change sex.

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 21:50

I always think of this Mark Twain quote -

'When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.'

When she's got more life experience, she'll likely see the ludicrousness of the demands of gender ideology. Also likely over the next couple of years is that this fad will become very passe - it's already in it's death throes.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/06/2025 21:50

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:37

Her perspective is based on ‘gender’ not ‘sex’, hence the term ‘transgender’.

again, reading a perspective different to your own might help.

Perfect time to discuss how gender is a made up concept, how it relies on regressive sex stereotypes, and not everyone believes in ‘gender identity’.

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 21:51

she’s absolutely lost her mind to trans ideology sadly.

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Radionowhere · 18/06/2025 21:53

My 16 year old is the same. However her 22 year old sister agrees with me, certainly as far as sports are concerned anyway, so I have hope that she'll grow out of it. I'm not planning on discussing it with her again at the moment.
FWIW these teens need to learn that people can have different views and just agree to disagree.

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 21:53

@Meadowfinch thats how it all started because I said I love JK Rowling for what she’s done for women’s rights

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SidewaysOtter · 18/06/2025 21:53

Is it an option just to agree to disagree? Not only is she at an age when anything your parents say is a) wrong and b) terribly embarrassing, but it's an age where it's so easy to be idealistic. I can remember lecturing one of my teachers about the need to save whales (I'm not sure how she kept a straight face Grin ) and I cringe now at how bloody sanctimonious I could be!

pinkteddy · 18/06/2025 21:57

My dd and I have a tacit understanding that we don’t discuss it. We are on the same page on almost everything, she is really interested in feminism and she actually introduced me to Laura Bates years ago. But on this we fundamentally disagree. I am confident she’ll have her eyes opened eventually.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 18/06/2025 21:57

Yeah, it was the same here - we stopped talking about it years ago BUT recently my eldest (now 25) said quietly ‘hmm I don’t disagree now with some of what you said, not all of it but some’. So age and time gets them seeing possible pitfalls of gender ideology. Youngest isn’t there yet. My advice, you’ve put the thoughts there, now leave them to mature/experience.

marshmallowpuff · 18/06/2025 22:04

I would just let her sit with it and don’t discuss it for a while.

But, have you got any older/elderly relatives, friends etc. who need visiting in care homes, helping with care/shopping/housework etc., or can she get a little bit more exposure to other aspects of life? A bit of childcare/babysitting? Some charity work with vulnerable people or helping in an environment where she can get a bit more experience of life?

I suggest this for a couple of reasons:— in a thread today I was really struck by a young woman posting how she honestly didn’t see why people would feel vulnerable in hospital, and it seemed to me that there’s a lack of life experience there, especially of different life stages, which maybe young women in particular used to have a bit more of in the past. Yes it was sexist in the past to expect young women to take on the burden of family caring work; but (for both sexes), maybe now we don’t ask enough for them to see outside their very limited bubble of young people?

We tend to shield kids now from the less palatable bits of life, and so maybe they end up not really knowing what it’s like to be ill, or old, or poor, or disabled (especially as a woman). I’m not suggesting putting them through a soup kitchen boot camp or anything, just visiting a neighbour in hospital or babysitting a toddler and learning how to change a nappy, or helping out singing carols at a care home, or all of the kind of things teenagers used to do when I grew up (and I’m in my 40s so not that old).

On that thread today, I thought that it’s a bit of a failing to get to the age when you’re posting on mumsnet, and not have any idea what it’s like in a hospital ward, or any idea that not all women are young and healthy. Or why a woman might not want to be partially undressed or ill in front of a strange man, however nice he is. Or have any sense of the loss of agency and privacy and dignity that women suffer in hospitals; and care homes, and hostels, and any other spaces where they’re vulnerable. Or why children are vulnerable. Or people who are poor or disabled or have limited options in life.

And okay, I get that things are more regulated nowadays, and it’s much harder for teens to get experience in places which require, for example, a DBS (as a teenager I used to do things like a programme for taking blind children roller-skating! Or doing drama and music af local care homes. I took part in a society at university where students ran activity holidays for children in poor city centre communities, and so on. I bet it’s much harder to just rock up and do that kind of thing now, and I do appreciate that).

BUT, I reckon an awful lot of young people’s obsession with the trans issue — and their inability to conceptualise why it’s (a) not the most pressing civil rights issue of our time; and (b) why women might object to it — is down to lack of knowledge about what life is like for many others. Even at the end of the twentieth century, it was hard not to come into contact with some of the realities of life. Whereas now I think many kids are insulated from seeing vulnerability, age, illness and poverty, because it’s not as visible as it used to be, and we’ve also simultaneously become a society which demands a lot less responsibility of teenagers in particular.

GuevarasBeret · 18/06/2025 22:05

Can you try a light hearted “Oh darling, you’ve got this the wrong way round. I shall be running away from your embarrassing views much quicker than you’ll be running from mine. In the meantime, tidy your room, and bring me hobnobbles.