Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

[teawamutu]

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

So to sum up, on this thread (just off the top of my head) I have been called an imbecile, stupid, a dick panderer, repeatedly accused of having clandestine motivations , sneering at rape victims, Tandora, transdora, a “male”. To name just a few.
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This is how you get treated on mumsnet if you have and express an opinion that trans people are just a-ok and should be included in society with dignity , privacy and respect.

In the alternative, this is how you get treated if, perhaps, you're an imbecile, stupid, a dick panderer, have clandestine motivations or sneer at rape victims.

I'll comp you the "Transdora" and apologize on behalf other contributors for that.

Trans 🏳️‍⚧️ people are exactly who they say they are. Many people don’t understand , but this understanding will grow over time.

It is true that the UK is a very bad place to be right now for legal protections for trans people. however, trans people have the same human rights as anyone else, including the right to dignity, to privacy , to protection from discrimination, cruel and degrading treatment, to healthcare , to life. All of these rights require that trans people are respected, recognised and treated according to who they are and not who they were assumed to be at birth.

You fooled me on the last thread as well. I certainly won’t fall for it a third time.

Ah I was going to report, but what’s the point:

I rest my case

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"In the alternative, this is how you get treated if, perhaps, you're an imbecile, stupid, a dick panderer, have clandestine motivations or sneer at rape victims."

Agreed.

Every post is dick pandering and this level of everyone but me is wrong is imbecilic.

Gender nonsense does make people stupid.

When you said that JKR's services and campaigns were transphobic were you not including the service users and supporters at Beira's place? That is what I consider sneering, yes.
As well as the service users of her other charities.

If not, perhaps you can clarify which people you meant were transphobic, and what actions you deem to be carried out in fear of people who "are the opposite sex" or whatever it is you characterise 'trans' as.

I have no idea what you mean. That I'm faking being neurodiverse? Ok then.

All of these rights require that trans people are respected, recognised and treated according to who they are and not who they were assumed to be at birth.

They don't though.

I don't respect men that behave like this at all. There is no legal requirement for respect.

And men are men, "trans" is of no concern of anyone else but themselves. It's invisible.

that you are faking a sincere and open interest and desire to engage in an exchange of ideas, rather than to discredit and insult the person like most of the other pp’s who I am well used to on these threads. I see now I can expect the latter though you might make noises for a while that sound like the former.

I hear you.

Have you ever considered that you and your reality denying absurd views might be the problem?

Whatever.
Anyway if this thread has led to even one person cancelling their forgotten about Brexit campaign dd to the GLP then that's a win.
I'm not sure if Maugham can even go back to tax avoidance, hasn't he handed his wig in?

As already said the uk public is taking the exact opposite trajectory, so no. The understanding will indeed grow, but not in the way you want.

Trans people are exactly who they say they are. Many people don’t understand but this understanding will grow over time.

That sounds so like something Jeffrey Marsh would say.

It is true that the UK is a very bad place to be right now for legal protections for trans people. however, trans people have the same human rights as anyone else, including the right to dignity, to privacy , to protection from discrimination, cruel and degrading treatment, to healthcare , to life. All of these rights require that trans people are respected, recognised and treated according to who they are and not who they were assumed to be at birth.

Of course everyone is entitled to be treated the same as we are all human. But Trans people are not entitled to additional rights and privileges, especially as that would mean another group of people (Women) have to give up some of their rights.

…assumed to be at birth. (thanks for the giggle 🤭)

That's untrue.

I have no idea who you are so "discrediting" you isn't something I care about. I've re-worded my posts countless times purely in order to engage or to better explain my POV and understand exactly where we differ.

But if you want to claim to know what I think better than I do, go ahead. I know it isn't true, and that's enough for me.

I would invite you to look at any thread I'm on and see that this is just how I am, difficult as it may be to accept.

Eventually it will be the majority as with growing understanding and acceptwnce of all different types of diversity.

Dear me! The exact opposite is happening. As people come to realise that transw keep their genitalia in 90% of cases, that they really, really ought not to be in toilets and changing rooms with women and girls.

The statistics showing support have dropped steadily over the last 3 years. As people see, hear and read the vile, disgusting, threatening things that the trans extremist zealots spout, support drops.

When they see the violence of sturdy young men, trying to convince the world that they are women, as they assault old ladies, support for them drops.

As they realise that there really are insurmountable physical differences, making tranw capable of beating women in sport and taking their places, they realise just how bonkers it is; and support goes down.

As they see intact rapists put into prison with women, rape survivors forced to call their rapists "she" in court and denied compensation for mistergendering... As they see women who've been hounded out of jobs, after institutional, industrial scale bullying and harassment...

You get the picture.

Thinking that they will ever be accepted in women only spaces and services is obtuse in the extreme, along with being convinced, for no logical reason, that employers and service providers will go against the law and swap women's toilets for unisex ones.

Your claims have no basis in reason, just your forlorn, illogical hope that it will be so.

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I have been saying since the ruling that the battles will be won when GI starts costing businesses and public bodies ££££

Utter bullshit.

Transwomen are men.
Gender is regressive bollocks
Sex is material reality

mistergendering

I like it 😊

Oh, stop it.

The UK is a perfectly fine place for trans people to be. They have comprehensive protection against discrimination, which they don't have in most other countries.

If that's not enough for them and they only feel safe living somewhere they have more rights than women, they are welcome to move to such a country.

Oooh do explain. How does one change sex to become the other sex. As in physically. Not legally or mentally but physically changing your dna etc?

Isn’t language amazing?

Someone describes what is in effect an additional privilege as a ‘right’ and it gives credibility to that privilege.

It also gives the commenter a sense of having an ethically correct position. Yet, if you use accurate terminology, the entire premise being argued on this thread to support those additional privileges looks rather weak.

Like this.

Yes. The magic of philosophical theory is very powerful in enabling the impossible to be possible.

I’d quite like to know how someone ‘changes sex’ mentally too. I mean, how does one know when it happens?

Do you just wake up one morning with feelings of regret that you’ve never had a pillow fight in your underwear, swapped sanitary products in the ladies with complete randoms, or pretended that every builder you pass can’t help but objectify you?

Is that when you realise that you’ve actually got a ‘lady brain?’ 🤔