Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

[teawamutu]

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

Head tilt. All the pink brain cells float to the top and make you extra kind and giggly.

Science.

Operation let them speak strikes again

Tandora

All of these rights require that trans people are respected, recognised and treated according to who they are and not who they were assumed to be at birth.

You ignored my post about various other genders, how do you think society should respect, recognise and treat trans people of genders other than man or woman? If transwomen should use the ladies and transmen the gents, where should the other genders go and are you saying that there should be facilities for every gender or that other genders aren't valid? It's transphobic to only focus on 2 genders when there are so many more.

Tandora ignored my posts too with all the facts. And the post about evidence.

I suspect Tandora believes in the existence of Tru Trans and would have them ring-fenced from the other impure trans - the men who only pretend to be women, the fetishists, AGPs, the voyeurs and exhibitionists. Tandora feels that if they can just find the right words they will convert us. However, the right words aren't quite there just yet so we must be patient. When we are converted then we will be so overcome with the righteousness of the Tru Trans cause that we will allow the whole trans umbrella into our spaces in order to serve the chosen few.
Until then, Tandora likes to hang out with the women of MN because.....well, because we are women. Y'know.

I understand you hate my opinions. But that’s not the point. The point was to highlight the imbalance, to show the true character of the dynamics here.

You have some nerve. Many people have tried to engage with you in a reasonable manner before you end up throwing out generalised insults. It is honestly like trying to have a discussion with a teenager.

Well you have definitely highlighted the endless patience of some posters, the attempts to elicit some reasoned arguments from you and your own goady posting.

I didn’t ignore your posts, but it’s actually really difficult to have an exchange about what “sex”, “gender”, and “trans” mean, and how they map on to human experience. I know people get frustrated when you say it’s complicated but the reality is that it is- why do you think there are so many feminist books dedicated to unpacking these things? The biological science of it is complicated too- hence the BMJ statement on the SC ruling,

I have just written something about exactly this (not different genders, but what gender/ sex/ trans is) which is what I offered to share with @potpourree when I thought she was sincere and interested. To which she replied “feel free” but would an 8 yr old understand it otherwise probs she won’t. It’s long. I can’t share it on the thread as it would be outing. And anyway I don’t trust the users here or believe it would be of any interest to them (the majority), but I would be willing to share it privately with anyone who I thought might be genuinely interested in engaging/
giving feedback/ having an exchange of ideas about it.

lol. The shamelessness knows no bounds .

Yep this is exactly why I posted the summary to demonstrate exactly how false these sorts of claims/ pretences are.

You are correct. Shame is a favoured way of trying to control women. I am shame-less

i have no problem with who you “are” or anyone else is, but I do have a problem when people start to attack and diminish my person “ you are sneering a rape victims”
“I can’t believe I took you seriously” (by the way I’m a survivor of CSA and rape) when I’ve been nothing but polite to them and sincerely tried to have a respectful exchange about ideas on a subject that’s important to me. I hope that clarifies.

Glad you recognise them as your opinions, and not facts. I don’t hate them, quite the opposite. You continually come along with nonsense that you can’t back up and it shows trans ideology for what it is. So thank you.

it’s actually really difficult to have an exchange about what “sex”, “gender”, and “trans” mean, and how they map on to human experience.

It's not.

Sex is your biological sex. There are two. We are one or the other.

Gender is stereotypes applied to either/both sexes.

Trans is adopting the stereotypes of the opposite sex and sometimes altering one's body with hormones and/or surgical treatment to give the appearance of the opposite sex.

There's really nothing much more complicated than that.

@Tandora the problem is your opinions are not facts. It is a fact that transwomen are men. It is a fact that women need spaces away from men. These are facts that can't be ignored. Trans people may not be pretending to be trans but the very definition of a transwoman is a man pretending to be a woman. They are not and never will be women. It isn't physically possible to change sex

Yes things are going in the reverse direction right now and it’s really bad for trans people. But eventually things will shift because the lack of understanding is not sustainable. Trans people are here to stay and slowly understanding will grow. There was a huge backlash when gay people first started rob really outspoken about rights and visibility. Evebtually things improved. Of course there is still so much homophobia today- and mumsnet is not a great place for that- but things are much better at least than they were in the 80s.

Yes all of these statements that you believe as absolutisms are false, unhelpful simplisms. And hence the problems we have,

Exactly.

Which is false?

@Tandora Can you actually explain why you don't think female people should be allowed to have words for ourselves which exclude male people, or any single sex spaces which exclude male people?

That might be quicker.

I am looking forward to your feminism-compatible explanation for this.

All three claims are reductive, misleading, simplisms.

There are two sexes.

Gender is stereotyping.

Trans is pretending to be the other sex.

No they are facts, they may be inconvenient for you. They might be against your "religion" but they are still true

Such a simplistic view.
The experiences of one group in the past is really not an indication of what will happen re another, completely different group in the future.
Gay people's rights and visibility took nothing away from anyone else.
The "lack of understanding" is a myth, much of society has woken up to this.