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Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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teawamutu · 17/06/2025 18:14

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

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MyAmpleSheep · 19/06/2025 23:18

Tandora · 19/06/2025 22:19

I also don’t think she’s very talented. Her books are massively overrated and the whole concept was plagiarised from the worst witch books which were actually really good (with female protagonists).

Edited

I'd be very happy to be as untalented as she is, so I could give away 250 million quid to good causes I support, and still be a billionaire.

If that's not very talented, what does talented mean?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:20

KnottyAuty · 19/06/2025 23:17

Really important that you understand this: female at birth = female entire life until death.
Sex remains stable. Gender does not

Tandora is struggling to understand that a GRC means fuck all now.

Yes, you're legally a woman. Except in circumstances where we actually distinguish between men and women. In those circumstances, you're still a man, sorry.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:22

MyAmpleSheep · 19/06/2025 23:18

I'd be very happy to be as untalented as she is, so I could give away 250 million quid to good causes I support, and still be a billionaire.

If that's not very talented, what does talented mean?

These people saying she's not a good writer crack me up.

I actually think she's the reason the publishing industry is so captured and people like Philip Pullman are making total arses out of themselves.

They all wish they were her.

DrudgeJedd · 19/06/2025 23:29

MyAmpleSheep · 19/06/2025 23:18

I'd be very happy to be as untalented as she is, so I could give away 250 million quid to good causes I support, and still be a billionaire.

If that's not very talented, what does talented mean?

I think that getting people to give you £500k for legal shit even though you look like this is a talent

Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?
Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:33

KnottyAuty · 19/06/2025 23:17

Really important that you understand this: female at birth = female entire life until death.
Sex remains stable. Gender does not

I disagree with this simple understanding

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:22

These people saying she's not a good writer crack me up.

I actually think she's the reason the publishing industry is so captured and people like Philip Pullman are making total arses out of themselves.

They all wish they were her.

What? You are comparing JKR to Phillip Pullman? There’s no comparison.

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:34

MyAmpleSheep · 19/06/2025 23:18

I'd be very happy to be as untalented as she is, so I could give away 250 million quid to good causes I support, and still be a billionaire.

If that's not very talented, what does talented mean?

trump also made loads of money. Is he talented too?

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:36

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:20

Tandora is struggling to understand that a GRC means fuck all now.

Yes, you're legally a woman. Except in circumstances where we actually distinguish between men and women. In those circumstances, you're still a man, sorry.

I think it’s really really important that the courts, parliament, the EHRC hear this so they can stop gaslighting trans people

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2025 23:41

Goodness, 150 new posts since I last looked! We have been busy!

Cornishpotato · 19/06/2025 23:42

The GRA really only exists because a man wanted to marry a transwomen and couldn't because same sex marriage was illegal.

So this lie was created for that purpose.
It's redundant now.

DrudgeJedd · 19/06/2025 23:43

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:34

trump also made loads of money. Is he talented too?

Has he given huge amounts to charity that we don't know about?
You're comparing apples with oranges.

But please continue to compare the charitable giving of JKR with the grifting of awful men, keeping this thread in Active is basically a public service at this point.

Cornishpotato · 19/06/2025 23:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2025 23:41

Goodness, 150 new posts since I last looked! We have been busy!

I think Jolyon is paying Tandora a pound every time she mentions how the guidance is wrong.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2025 23:44

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:36

I think it’s really really important that the courts, parliament, the EHRC hear this so they can stop gaslighting trans people

Edited

Fully support everyone hearing it loud and clear.

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 23:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2025 23:41

Goodness, 150 new posts since I last looked! We have been busy!

I don’t think we have seen a coherent explanation though on why a group of male people should have additional privileges over all other people, particularly when it is based on their philosophical belief that doesn’t reflect material reality.

I might have missed it though.

KnottyAuty · 19/06/2025 23:46

JanesLittleGirl · 19/06/2025 23:01

Pausing for a moment, can remind ourselves of the base regulations:

From the Workplace health, safety and welfare. Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992.

Sanitary conveniences

20.—(1) Suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences shall be provided at readily accessible places.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), sanitary conveniences shall not be suitable unless—

(a)the rooms containing them are adequately ventilated and lit;

(b)they and the rooms containing them are kept in a clean and orderly condition; and

(c)separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.

(3) It shall be sufficient compliance with the requirement in paragraph (1) to provide sufficient sanitary conveniences in a workplace which is not a new workplace, a modification, an extension or a conversion and which, immediately before this regulation came into force in respect of it, was subject to the provisions of the Factories Act 1961, if sanitary conveniences are provided in accordance with the provisions of Part II of Schedule

In what way is the EHRC interim guidance disagreeing with this statutory guidance?

Separately, @Tandora, I am highly entertained by your idea that the net result of the SC ruling will result in a diminution of single sex facilities in favour of universal facilities. Universal facilities are very inefficient In terms of space and as both lessors and lessees want to minimise costs, landlords will provide the legal minimum sex based toilet facilities.

But you are free to create a different legal and financial framework.

Universal facilities also cost a lot. A lot more than some rainbow flags and getting women to budge up. Now that money has to be found for special lavs, progress is going to be glacial or go into reverse…

ApocalipstickNow · 19/06/2025 23:48

DrudgeJedd · 19/06/2025 23:29

I think that getting people to give you £500k for legal shit even though you look like this is a talent

Every time I’ve seen that picture on here in a tiny version in a tweet I’ve thought he was topless, so that picture is at least a bit reassuring.

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:48

So to sum up, on this thread (just off the top of my head) I have been called an imbecile, stupid, a dick panderer, repeatedly accused of having clandestine motivations , sneering at rape victims, Tandora, transdora, a “male”. To name just a few. All of these posts have been allowed to stand.

Meanwhile in one post I used the phrase “you people” and a pp went all “woe is me, how dare you be so unbelievably rude as to say something as offensive as ‘you people’ to me”. So I apologised.

I offered a commentary on gender critical feminism (as a system of thought / field of activism) and my posts were deleted by MNHQ , despite the fact that they contained no personal comments directed at any user and were merely providing a commentary on ideas, a commentary that is also common and accepted within academic circles.

Meanwhile a pp said I was mentally ill, claimed that I was on adhd medication and obsessed with the thread because of adhd. She then realised she had made a mistake with another poster and apologised, which I accepted. I reported that post but MNHQ decided these personal and false accusations should be allowed to stand?!

This is how you get treated on mumsnet if you have and express an opinion that trans people are just a-ok and should be included in society with dignity , privacy and respect.

👏🏻. 👏🏻. 👏🏻

Cornishpotato · 19/06/2025 23:50

We don't have to be nice to people that hate us.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:55

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:36

I think it’s really really important that the courts, parliament, the EHRC hear this so they can stop gaslighting trans people

Edited

Yes, it is about time everybody stopped gaslighting trans people.

It was incredibly cruel to let them think anybody believes they have changed sex, and that they had rights they did not in fact have.

DrudgeJedd · 19/06/2025 23:55

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:48

So to sum up, on this thread (just off the top of my head) I have been called an imbecile, stupid, a dick panderer, repeatedly accused of having clandestine motivations , sneering at rape victims, Tandora, transdora, a “male”. To name just a few. All of these posts have been allowed to stand.

Meanwhile in one post I used the phrase “you people” and a pp went all “woe is me, how dare you be so unbelievably rude as to say something as offensive as ‘you people’ to me”. So I apologised.

I offered a commentary on gender critical feminism (as a system of thought / field of activism) and my posts were deleted by MNHQ , despite the fact that they contained no personal comments directed at any user and were merely providing a commentary on ideas, a commentary that is also common and accepted within academic circles.

Meanwhile a pp said I was mentally ill, claimed that I was on adhd medication and obsessed with the thread because of adhd. She then realised she had made a mistake with another poster and apologised, which I accepted. I reported that post but MNHQ decided these personal and false accusations should be allowed to stand?!

This is how you get treated on mumsnet if you have and express an opinion that trans people are just a-ok and should be included in society with dignity , privacy and respect.

👏🏻. 👏🏻. 👏🏻

Did you achieve what you set out to though?

Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:55

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:34

What? You are comparing JKR to Phillip Pullman? There’s no comparison.

Certainly not in terms of book sales. Or integrity.

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/06/2025 23:55

Certainly not in terms of book sales. Or integrity.

I was thinking more creativity, originality and talent. Although certainly integrity too.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/06/2025 00:04

Tandora · 19/06/2025 23:58

I was thinking more creativity, originality and talent. Although certainly integrity too.

Edited

Philip Pullman is a sanctimonious, bandwagon jumping prick.

potpourree · 20/06/2025 00:09

I'm very slow on the uptake but I've just realised Tandora is the same poster as on another thread where they casually dropped, hundreds of posts in, that they didn't use a word to mean its common meaning ('female' in that case; 'trans' in this one, as well as the usual woman/female conflation throughout).

In that thread there were glimmers of shared understanding but if they decided I was using the wrong tone, or if I didn't understand, I got insulted (although they did apologise). The conversation just petered out; I think because when you get down to it and try and get a straight answer, again the responses were 'it's complicated' and nothing more concrete from that.

It's a shame because I did have an interest in trying to work out where they were coming from - I blamed my atypical neurons for not being able to grasp it but the shifting sands in every post just don't work as a communication medium.

And on this thread I was kind of intrigued as to their rejection of 'there is sex and there are gender identities', and how they squared this with supporting people whose identity is based around a gender identity. Again, it felt like there was something they were trying to say, but clearly don't want to nail their colours to the mast just yet.

It's an odd one, for sure.

Myalternate · 20/06/2025 00:10

..if you have and express an opinion that trans people are just a-ok and should be included in society with dignity , privacy and respect.

What does Trans actually mean?

Why should I have to respect a man that chooses to mimic a woman and then demands I have to abandon my rights to dignity, privacy and respect?

There’s no way I will ever willingly give up my rights.

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