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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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teawamutu · 17/06/2025 18:14

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

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Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:49

DiamondThrone · 18/06/2025 15:33

For what? Calling a male poster a male?

lol , well I know you people fancy yourselves as judge and jury on the matter of other people’s sex, but if you want to insist I am a male you’ll at least need to revise your dogmatic simplisms about biology, since I have recently given birth to my third child.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 15:50

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:49

lol , well I know you people fancy yourselves as judge and jury on the matter of other people’s sex, but if you want to insist I am a male you’ll at least need to revise your dogmatic simplisms about biology, since I have recently given birth to my third child.

Congratulations.

Non binary child, presumably?

WithSilverBells · 18/06/2025 15:51

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:31

It is absolutely devastating. You can't see this because you lack understanding and empathy.

Ahh #BeKind - where it all started to go wrong first time round. The circular argument returns to base

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 15:52

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/06/2025 15:44

I have empathy for genuine suffering, but that does not mean that women and girls must cede their legal rights and protections to men.

What is so 'devastating' about having to use a facility for your sex or else a neutral third one? 'Devastating' is a very strong word. Maybe what you mean is the fantasy of of being another sex has been destroyed by the clear light of day, and by this legal ruling?

This is the problem with an identity based on an illusion or 'a feeling'. it is deeply susceptible to destruction - because of its fragile nature. But people and the world cannot be expected to cater to people with fragile mental health by giving them access to whatever it is they want.

We've all faced loss and grief. It is not unique to people with trans identities.

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If people are devastated to learn that most of society does not actually consider them to be the gender they believe they identify as, perhaps they should direct their anger towards the people who have lied to them for all these years.

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 15:52

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:49

lol , well I know you people fancy yourselves as judge and jury on the matter of other people’s sex, but if you want to insist I am a male you’ll at least need to revise your dogmatic simplisms about biology, since I have recently given birth to my third child.

It’s an anonymous website. I can’t tell the sex of anyone posting here.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2025 15:52

MarieDeGournay · 18/06/2025 15:49

.. perhaps, but some of us are looking at the literal starsSmile

😂

WithSilverBells · 18/06/2025 15:54

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:49

lol , well I know you people fancy yourselves as judge and jury on the matter of other people’s sex, but if you want to insist I am a male you’ll at least need to revise your dogmatic simplisms about biology, since I have recently given birth to my third child.

A child which, no doubt, you are going to have to put to bed soon since that is the way these scolds usually end.

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/06/2025 15:59

@Tandora ?

MarieDeGournay · 18/06/2025 16:03

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:03

I don't agree that the below underlined statement at the end of the paragraph sufficiently clarifies that when they said ""in workplaces, it is compulsory to provide sufficient single-sex toilets," they did not mean that workplaces had to provide single sex toilets.

where toilet, washing or changing facilities are in lockable rooms (not cubicles) which are intended for the use of one person at a time, they can be used by either women or men”

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I replied to this before Tandora suggesting that you - and indeed the GLP - should look at the range of official sources that state the requirement to have sex-segregated toilets, with building-regs-compliant 'unisex'/universal toilets as an optional extra, or as an acceptable alternative if there is insufficient space for separate toilets.

I suggested reading:

UK Building regulations Requirement T1: Toilet accommodation

And I've thought of another, which is also helpful on minimum provision:

British Standard 6465-1:2006+A1:2009 – Sanitary Installations.

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:05

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 15:52

It’s an anonymous website. I can’t tell the sex of anyone posting here.

Right. But that other pp insisted I was “male”. Maybe she believes she has extra special gender critical powers whereby she can smell out the size of people’s (intended!) gametes through the ether.

Cornishpotato · 18/06/2025 16:05

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:27

Me? Nothing.
What are you going to do? A quick chromosome swab? Whip down the pants and flash us the genitals? Whip out the birth certificate?

We have had women and men's facilities for decades. They have included trans people and the world has kept turning. We have all managed this fine, apart from a few awful people who have had a tendency to harass gender non-conforming people in toilets.

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A few awful people.

There you have it.

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:07

MarieDeGournay · 18/06/2025 16:03

I replied to this before Tandora suggesting that you - and indeed the GLP - should look at the range of official sources that state the requirement to have sex-segregated toilets, with building-regs-compliant 'unisex'/universal toilets as an optional extra, or as an acceptable alternative if there is insufficient space for separate toilets.

I suggested reading:

UK Building regulations Requirement T1: Toilet accommodation

And I've thought of another, which is also helpful on minimum provision:

British Standard 6465-1:2006+A1:2009 – Sanitary Installations.

Regardless of the rules, the point is that the EHRC guidance was woefully misleading in its choice of statements.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 16:07

Cornishpotato · 18/06/2025 16:05

A few awful people.

There you have it.

She isn't talking about the awful people like Katie Dolatowski who have sexually assaulted little girls in women's toilets.

That's not awful enough to be worthy of acknowledging, apparently.

Not compared to the awful people who deny the existence of women with penises.

DiamondThrone · 18/06/2025 16:07

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:05

Right. But that other pp insisted I was “male”. Maybe she believes she has extra special gender critical powers whereby she can smell out the size of people’s (intended!) gametes through the ether.

Edited

Anyone can say they're anything on here, mate.

There are (non-anonymous) men on Bluesky calling themselves "biological woman". Words don't mean anything to them.

What's so wrong with being male, anyway?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 16:09

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:07

Regardless of the rules, the point is that the EHRC guidance was woefully misleading in its choice of statements.

What a shame you didn't apply your expert powers of legal scrutiny to all those Stonewall sponsored PowerPoint presentations our employers spent so much of the last decade's training budget on.

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:09

DiamondThrone · 18/06/2025 16:07

Anyone can say they're anything on here, mate.

There are (non-anonymous) men on Bluesky calling themselves "biological woman". Words don't mean anything to them.

What's so wrong with being male, anyway?

Nothing wrong with being male. Everything wrong with misgendering people as a weapon. But I know that’s the GC MO,

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 16:09

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:09

Nothing wrong with being male. Everything wrong with misgendering people as a weapon. But I know that’s the GC MO,

Edited

Odd take.

We aren't "misgendering people as a weapon".

We are correctly referring to people's sex in a context where it is directly relevant, because facts and reality matter.

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 16:10

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 11:18

agree unisex are much more expensive and take up more space, which is why I believe that there will not only be fewer services designated specifically for women, but also fewer facilities over all.

Aren’t numbers of toilets mandated by the H&S act?

Yes, they are. Dependent on the sex of staff.

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 16:14

Tandora · 18/06/2025 15:31

It is absolutely devastating. You can't see this because you lack understanding and empathy.

It's 'devastating' for a transwoman to use the men's loos, with men in them.

But it's totally fine for all women to be forced to use loos with men in them.

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 16:19

Tandora · 18/06/2025 16:07

Regardless of the rules, the point is that the EHRC guidance was woefully misleading in its choice of statements.

I don’t think the have changed the wording of their guidance.

Cornishpotato · 18/06/2025 16:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 16:09

What a shame you didn't apply your expert powers of legal scrutiny to all those Stonewall sponsored PowerPoint presentations our employers spent so much of the last decade's training budget on.

What a shocking waste of money that was.

DiamondThrone · 18/06/2025 16:22

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 16:19

I don’t think the have changed the wording of their guidance.

They haven't. There is no "concession". Jolyon is doing his usual misinfo.

Cornishpotato · 18/06/2025 16:24

Jolyon is selling hope.

He's a very naughty boy.

DiamondThrone · 18/06/2025 16:24

Cornishpotato · 18/06/2025 16:21

What a shocking waste of money that was.

Sadly, alongside taxpayer money spent replying to his nonsense challenge, it is a waste of the money of the people that Jolyon has grifted from. And he'll keep grifting, that's why he wrote that totally misleading post that now has trans peopel thinking he and GLP are some kind of effective entity.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 16:25

Merrymouse · 18/06/2025 16:19

I don’t think the have changed the wording of their guidance.

I can't wait for the definitive guidance to come out. Hard hats on for all the toys being thrown from prams when it still says that single sex means single sex.

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