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Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)

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LCommunity · 16/06/2025 13:13

Hi all,

Just flagging this for any lesbian or bi women who’ve felt pushed out of Pride, or like something’s quietly disappeared.

We’re organising a lesbian and bisexual women-only march on Saturday 5th July in central London. It’s the same day as the main Pride event – but we’re not part of their route, and we’re not affiliated.

Time: 11.00 AM
Meeting point: Emmeline Pankhurst Statue, Victoria Tower Gardens South (by Parliament)
Route: Walk to Parliament Square for a few short speeches, then back to the park for a picnic (or a nearby pub if it rains)

No men. No brands. No pressure.
Just women. In public. Without compromise.

It’s fully self-funded. All permits, insurance, stewards and first aid are covered.

RSVP now
Click “Attend” – even if you’re only thinking of coming. It helps us plan and it shows other women that this space is real.
New faces always welcome.
Meetup

If you’re coming alone or feeling nervous, join our entry WhatsApp group – we’ll look after you:
chat.whatsapp.com/FCsLSOzgV4C2yUGplyQr5m
(This is our public group – open to everyone before vetting. The private WhatsApp spaces are strictly filtered. Only verified, registered women are added after screening. To move into those, register and complete sex verification here: thelcommunity.com)

If you want to understand the story behind why this is needed:
thelcommunity.com/the-lie
https://thelcommunity.com/taking-back-pride/

They didn’t make space for us. So we did.

Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)
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SerendipityJane · 17/06/2025 16:27

SionnachRuadh · 17/06/2025 16:15

Gay male sexuality is its own very peculiar thing. It's not only that it's not very similar to lesbianism, I don't think it bears any resemblance to female sexuality at all. And not very much resemblance to straight male sexuality.

This may be a controversial view, but I think that's shaped the different styles of activism. The Ls and the Gs never really had much in common except for the suspicion of straight society.

As I said, maybe that is because the discrimination faced was different ?

I tend towards the idea that male sexuality is about power - so therefore male homosexuality is about power. But female sexuality is about nurturing, which is reflected in female homosexuality.

That said there are plenty of women - of all stripes - who are aware of sex and power.

"Everything in the world is about sex – except sex. Sex is about power,

People who are concerned about power need to have something against which that power can be shown to have an effect. As the US seems to be demonstrating on cue.

DiamondThrone · 17/06/2025 16:44

People who are concerned about power need to have something against which that power can be shown to have an effect. As the US seems to be demonstrating on cue.

@SerendipityJane And Russia, and China, and Iran...

If male sexuality is about power (although I don't think it is), then all the more reason not to allow TIM into women's spaces.

Haulage · 17/06/2025 17:24

LCommunity · 17/06/2025 10:15

Exactly. The very idea of “women only” seems to trigger them like nothing else. Which is why holding this boundary matters more than ever.

It seems to me that it’s much like the situation with loos and changing rooms where the consent of the women who’re delighted to use mixed sex facilities doesn’t count; it’s the women whose consent is withheld TiMs want to share with. The women who will happily attend mainstream pride events don’t count. It’s as if the women who say no are the only ones to hold the key to true validation.

As always, I find it remarkable to see men openly stating they don’t think women should be allowed to choose who they spend time with.

MagpiePi · 17/06/2025 17:53

Grammarnut · 17/06/2025 15:01

When you say LGBT I think you just mean T. And d'you know what? The rest of us are about up to here with the T in our lavatories, sports, prizes, prisons, refuges and women only groups, societies and meet-ups.

Hear! Hear!
This cannot be said loud enough or often enough.

BundleBoogie · 17/06/2025 18:01

AidaP · 17/06/2025 10:36

No, you do not want peace, you want to preach transphobia.

There is a reason you do not state "trans women excluded" at your event descriptions anymore, as you know how that ends, now you just try dancing around the subject and preach "peace" while you preach hate.

People on mumsnet may buy it, I will check if london authority does too regarding your protest permit, and just how honest you were when describing the event to them.

Same with the police, as transphobic events require disclosing that fact properly to them.

Now if you want peace and embrace love and everyone, welcome to join all the other lesbians on pride, but that's not what you are about.

This has to be the worst, most virulent case of FOMO in the world!

Bullying and threatening to go and tell mummy the London Authority is really not going to get lesbians on side btw. HTH.

DiamondThrone · 17/06/2025 18:04

BundleBoogie · 17/06/2025 18:01

This has to be the worst, most virulent case of FOMO in the world!

Bullying and threatening to go and tell mummy the London Authority is really not going to get lesbians on side btw. HTH.

The TRAs don't want to get lesbians "on side". They want to muscle into lesbians' spaces and appropriate them. That's what they do, for validation.

Lesbians accepting transwomen as transwomen and allowing them that space wouldn't do at all. No, lesbians have to accept them as actual women, penises and all. And even then the TIMs will insist that they are better women than the lesbians could ever be.

ThreeWordHarpy · 17/06/2025 18:05

Sending lots of solidarity and good thoughts for the LB match. If you ever hold an event where the invite is extended to straight women allies then I’ll be there, in memory of my old mate who used to call me “my hetty friend”.

i can’t believe same-sex attracted women are still having to deal with this shit after all these years.

LastTrainsEast · 17/06/2025 18:35

AidaP · 17/06/2025 10:36

No, you do not want peace, you want to preach transphobia.

There is a reason you do not state "trans women excluded" at your event descriptions anymore, as you know how that ends, now you just try dancing around the subject and preach "peace" while you preach hate.

People on mumsnet may buy it, I will check if london authority does too regarding your protest permit, and just how honest you were when describing the event to them.

Same with the police, as transphobic events require disclosing that fact properly to them.

Now if you want peace and embrace love and everyone, welcome to join all the other lesbians on pride, but that's not what you are about.

As I explained to you earlier a lesbian march excludes men because they are not lesbian. That's all men including me so not transphobic at all.

Wimbledon excludes players who can't play tennis and somehow I doubt calling the police and saying "I'm a man and I want them stopped now!" would work there.

But still this is why I support "let trans/activists speak"

Your post there where you explain what you will allow and what you won't allow women to do is perfect. Keep it up.

Oh and "you know how that ends" I believe some women have been beaten for not obeying men. Is that what you were referring to?

TheOtherRaven · 17/06/2025 18:47

You really have to wonder about someone who just can't envisage that women's existance is ever about anything other than men, and if they get together it must be purely and maliciously to piss off men. Because what else would there be for them to do? What else could happen between a woman's head or between her legs than a man? What existence is there for a woman when not in some way serving a man.

Aida. Love.

Lesbians don't give a fuck about men. Literally.

They will be together enjoying each other's company - not thinking about, or caring about, or talking about men.

They are not doing it because of men.

They are not remotely interested in men of any identity. Not about what men think. Not about what men say. Not about what men do.

Men will be entirely missing from this entire situation in every way, because lesbianism has absolutely fuck all to do with men. It's about women who love women, and want to be with other women.

Without men.

LastTrainsEast · 17/06/2025 18:48

Christinapple · 16/06/2025 14:17

My question hasn't been answered. In recent years we have seen several times, including online communities such as now-banned reddit subs for example, so called "lesbian" events that in practice turn out to be nothing to do with being lesbian and are only about anti-trans activism.

If this is the case and it's basically just another KJK thing then it's only fair a counter protest can be present so all views are heard?

Pride is not a protest but a celebration. Like the Coronation or the 4th of July in the US.

So you can't counter protest, but you can in theory protest. You could protest a school picnic if you were so inclined and you didn't mind the world seeing you do it. I'm not sure how much more bad publicity the movement can take.

OuterSpaceCadet · 17/06/2025 18:49

How many red flags are fluttering around a male who won't hear the word "NO".

What a prime example of the reason women have always needed to find ways to speak to each other and to pass on a knowledge - perhaps even a culture - that is entirely separate from men.

And they thought it was just hair and tits and lippy.

Pricks.

TheOtherRaven · 17/06/2025 18:51

It's hard to miss the extremely warped view of what a woman is, and what she is for. Peeved about gatekeeping of vaginas is what most of this comes down to. What's the incel flag again?

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 17/06/2025 20:56

The frothing, rage-filled homophobia of our MRA visitors can surely not show them in anything but a very bad light. Also they appear unaware of the@ Supreme Court judgement, which very clearly rules that only females can be lesbians.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2025 21:05

TheOtherRaven · 17/06/2025 18:51

It's hard to miss the extremely warped view of what a woman is, and what she is for. Peeved about gatekeeping of vaginas is what most of this comes down to. What's the incel flag again?

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Its a bit like a grey teletest card with vertical strips in different shades of grey.

Waitingfordoggo · 17/06/2025 21:16

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 17/06/2025 20:56

The frothing, rage-filled homophobia of our MRA visitors can surely not show them in anything but a very bad light. Also they appear unaware of the@ Supreme Court judgement, which very clearly rules that only females can be lesbians.

Yes and I think they may also be unaware that Stonewall has changed its definition of transphobia so that it is no longer transphobic to not recognise/validate someone’s gender identity. So if any of the women gathered together on Saturday (or any of us here for that matter) feel the need to say ‘lesbians don’t have penises’, or ‘transwomen can’t be lesbians’ they would not only be completely correct, but well within their rights to say it- it is not transphobia. Especially given that holding and voicing these views is now protected by law.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2025 21:18

Waitingfordoggo · 17/06/2025 21:16

Yes and I think they may also be unaware that Stonewall has changed its definition of transphobia so that it is no longer transphobic to not recognise/validate someone’s gender identity. So if any of the women gathered together on Saturday (or any of us here for that matter) feel the need to say ‘lesbians don’t have penises’, or ‘transwomen can’t be lesbians’ they would not only be completely correct, but well within their rights to say it- it is not transphobia. Especially given that holding and voicing these views is now protected by law.

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Stonewall aren't the arbiters of language or the law!

MagpiePi · 17/06/2025 21:22

Waitingfordoggo · 17/06/2025 21:16

Yes and I think they may also be unaware that Stonewall has changed its definition of transphobia so that it is no longer transphobic to not recognise/validate someone’s gender identity. So if any of the women gathered together on Saturday (or any of us here for that matter) feel the need to say ‘lesbians don’t have penises’, or ‘transwomen can’t be lesbians’ they would not only be completely correct, but well within their rights to say it- it is not transphobia. Especially given that holding and voicing these views is now protected by law.

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….not that stonewall ever had the right to define what words mean or whether certain views are hateful.
They must have been unable to believe their luck when everyone started signing up (and paying!) to be stonewall champions.

Grammarnut · 17/06/2025 21:25

Waitingfordoggo · 17/06/2025 21:16

Yes and I think they may also be unaware that Stonewall has changed its definition of transphobia so that it is no longer transphobic to not recognise/validate someone’s gender identity. So if any of the women gathered together on Saturday (or any of us here for that matter) feel the need to say ‘lesbians don’t have penises’, or ‘transwomen can’t be lesbians’ they would not only be completely correct, but well within their rights to say it- it is not transphobia. Especially given that holding and voicing these views is now protected by law.

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It never was transphobia except in Stonewall's book. I doubt there is a thing that is transphobia at all.

TheOtherRaven · 17/06/2025 21:27

Quite staggering really isn't it?

Hello, we're the historic LGB society.

Pay us a lot of money, and if you swear to help us destroy homosexuality and force gay people to straight sex, and we'll give you prizes.

TWETMIRF · 17/06/2025 21:50

Imagine a group of snake enthusiasts got together to talk about snakes. Nice and simple, a group for people that like snakes to talk about snakes.

It's not equinephobic of them to not include people that only like horses. The purpose of the gathering is not to talk about how much they hate horses and wish they were extinct. Horses are something that won't be mentioned as the focus is on snakes.

It's quite likely that there will be people that like snakes who also like horses. This doesn't mean they can demand that all talk is changed to be about how horses are the best animal. The others in the group are perfectly within their rights to say that this group is about snakes so leave the horse talk for somewhere that isn't focused on snakes.

If members of the BHS turned up to protest the group not including horses, the general public will think the protesters a bunch of swivel headed loons who have no reason to complain. There is a massive horse celebration just down the road from the snake group but the horsey people would rather harass people than to go and have a good time with the other horsey people.

Birdsinginginthetrees · 17/06/2025 21:53

I’m not lesbian or bi, but wanted to wish you all the very best for the event.

Annoyedone · 17/06/2025 21:58

AidaP · 17/06/2025 10:36

No, you do not want peace, you want to preach transphobia.

There is a reason you do not state "trans women excluded" at your event descriptions anymore, as you know how that ends, now you just try dancing around the subject and preach "peace" while you preach hate.

People on mumsnet may buy it, I will check if london authority does too regarding your protest permit, and just how honest you were when describing the event to them.

Same with the police, as transphobic events require disclosing that fact properly to them.

Now if you want peace and embrace love and everyone, welcome to join all the other lesbians on pride, but that's not what you are about.

So by your reckoning, even though I not trans I can go into any trans space even if the event says only transpeople? Cool. Why are you such a bully? Does your mum not love you?

IButtleSir · 17/06/2025 22:01

TWETMIRF · 17/06/2025 21:50

Imagine a group of snake enthusiasts got together to talk about snakes. Nice and simple, a group for people that like snakes to talk about snakes.

It's not equinephobic of them to not include people that only like horses. The purpose of the gathering is not to talk about how much they hate horses and wish they were extinct. Horses are something that won't be mentioned as the focus is on snakes.

It's quite likely that there will be people that like snakes who also like horses. This doesn't mean they can demand that all talk is changed to be about how horses are the best animal. The others in the group are perfectly within their rights to say that this group is about snakes so leave the horse talk for somewhere that isn't focused on snakes.

If members of the BHS turned up to protest the group not including horses, the general public will think the protesters a bunch of swivel headed loons who have no reason to complain. There is a massive horse celebration just down the road from the snake group but the horsey people would rather harass people than to go and have a good time with the other horsey people.

I love this analogy.

Waitingfordoggo · 17/06/2025 22:14

@ArabellaScott- no I’m not saying they are- but they have been hugely influential in shaping public policy and opinion- and most TRAs seem to love them, so their opinion on what constitutes transphobia should matter to some.

@MagpiePi- no, they never had that right, but (see above!)

I agree it was never transphobia in the first place @Grammarnut!

BlakeCarrington · 17/06/2025 22:41

AidaP · 16/06/2025 15:20

So, no trans women?

I'll start arranging the anti transphobia counter protest, thanks for clarification!

What a bullying arsehole you are. Fill your boots - the trans ideology has been defeated in the uk so a bunch of aggressive men in dresses abusing the lesbians will be all over the media will just be another nail in the coffin. Catch 22, you lose.

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