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House of Commons apologises after RMW permitted to use ladies' loos

277 replies

SidewaysOtter · 14/06/2025 15:20

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

RMW claims he had never been challenged on his use of women's loos before - well, now he has, and the HoC has acknowledged it was wrong to allow him into those facilities.

House of Commons says sorry after trans barrister uses ladies’ loo

Robin Moira White was attending a parliamentary committee meeting about the Supreme Court ruling that defined a woman according to biological sex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

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Helleofabore · 14/06/2025 15:23

"The House of Commons has been forced to apologise after allowing a transgender woman to use female-only lavatories on the parliamentary estate despite the recent Supreme Court ruling that protects single-sex spaces."

and then

"The barrister was questioned outside the lavatories by two women’s rights campaigners, Kate Harris and Heather Binning, who had attended the same hearing, and said White should not be using female-only loos."

and then

"White accused the two women of “embarrassing” behaviour and “shouting” during the confrontation, a claim Harris denied. There are gender-neutral toilets in the Commons."

and

“I have some health challenges and the [parliamentary] staff had kindly sat me at the back of the committee room, right by the door, so that I could pop along the corridor [to the ladies’ loo], which I had to do once earlier,” White said. “We got to the end of the select committee and they directed me [again] to the facilities I used.”

White, who specialises in discrimination cases at Old Square Chambers, then saw Harris and Binning. “They rather rudely started to cross-examine me about what my intentions were, and what I was going to do,” White alleged. “I had to go [to use the lavatory] so went to use the facilities and they continued shouting [while I was inside].”

"Harris disputed this account. “There was certainly no shouting and no questioning of what [White] might be about to do in the loo,” she said, adding that the pair were informing other women in the cubicles that there was a biological male in the lavatories and asking for security to attend. Harris said a member of Commons staff then told her “we don’t do that here” in reference to excluding trans women from the female loos."

and finally

“We acknowledge that it is likely the individual you complained about should have not been directed to the female facilities and we apologise for that.”
The staff member also drew attention to parliament’s code of conduct, which provides “clear guidelines as to how we expect all users of the parliamentary [estate] to interact with each other”.

Last month Nuala McGovern, the host of BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, asked whether White would abide by the Supreme Court ruling. “I will continue to live my life in the way that I have been living it for a long time,” White replied. “Service providers and those who provide workplaces don’t have a duty to police facilities, and I have never yet been challenged on my use of facilities.”

Well, that is interesting. I couldn't find the most relevant part. It was all very relevant. Let's see what the reaction will be.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 14/06/2025 15:25

The height of entitlement and utter self centredness.

HappyNewTaxYear · 14/06/2025 15:28

RMW ‘has some health challenges’ so allegedly needed to be near the ladies’ toilets.

Prostate trouble eh?

WallaceinAnderland · 14/06/2025 15:29

Having a medical condition does not give a man the right to use the female facilities. What fuckery is this?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2025 15:30

Blimey

entitled man gets challenged

about time too, well done those women

PriOn1 · 14/06/2025 15:36

HappyNewTaxYear · 14/06/2025 15:28

RMW ‘has some health challenges’ so allegedly needed to be near the ladies’ toilets.

Prostate trouble eh?

Potentially problems following extreme surgery. Wouldn’t be unusual. Presumably perfectly valid therefore to use the disabled toilet on the grounds of urgency, assuming urgency is the problem.

PriOn1 · 14/06/2025 15:38

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2025 15:30

Blimey

entitled man gets challenged

about time too, well done those women

He can certainly no longer claim he’s never been challenged. Correct sex pronouns used as his sex is directly relevant to this situation.

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 15:38

The beauty of the ruling is all of us know we can call people out now. It makes everyone much safer.

RubyTrees · 14/06/2025 15:43

Harris said a member of Commons staff then told her “we don’t do that here” in reference to excluding trans women from the female loos."

Correction: You didn't do that then - but you certainly have to do that now.

BCBird · 14/06/2025 15:51

How did we get to this situation in the first place where our rights as females have been eroded? It's the stuff of futuristic fiction. Law states what should happen and still people interpreting it as they wish.

cavalier · 14/06/2025 16:05

very strange behaviour
I’ll be friends with anybody but please do not use a safe space for biological women only
go get some therapy because you have crossed a boundary and it’s disgusting

catsrus · 14/06/2025 16:10

well done Kate and Heather

I wouldn't be at all surprised if cheers had gone up throughout the country - from women who had effectively been coerced into sharing a loo with RMW and felt unable to say anything.

OuterSpaceCadet · 14/06/2025 16:17

How can a bloke get away with saying (on the radio) that he's going to continue to do a thing women find threatening, because he's always done it and doesn't fancy stopping?

nocoolnamesleft · 14/06/2025 16:18

What stunning and brave women to stand up to RMW.

Bunniesnotbullies · 14/06/2025 16:24

“I have some health challenges and the [parliamentary] staff had kindly sat me at the back of the committee room, right by the door, so that I could pop along the corridor [to the ladies’ loo], which I had to do once earlier,” White said. “We got to the end of the select committee and they directed me [again] to the facilities I used.”

So it wasn't his fault because he was sent there, twice.

It never is, is it.

ARichtGoodDram · 14/06/2025 16:29

"attending a meeting of the women and equalities committee"

What a joke. A man is signposted to the women's loos while attending a meeting of the women and equalities committee - that says it all really

myplace · 14/06/2025 16:33

Because of course there wasn’t a seat near the gents. Despite the HoC having been set up for men.

FarriersGirl · 14/06/2025 16:38

OuterSpaceCadet · 14/06/2025 16:17

How can a bloke get away with saying (on the radio) that he's going to continue to do a thing women find threatening, because he's always done it and doesn't fancy stopping?

Nuala McGovern not only let him get away with that comment she appeared to condone it😡

TWETMIRF · 14/06/2025 16:42

You can't expect the poor little sausage to say, actually the law says I shouldn't be in the ladies and I respect both the law and women so where are the gents?

illinivich · 14/06/2025 16:42

I wonder if the direction to the loos was written, before he attended, or in person on the day? I suspect he made sure he was first in the womens loos to make a point, either way.

SansOgm · 14/06/2025 16:45

Of course he had to point out that he was validated, twice, by whoever pointed him towards the women's toilets.

Possibly leaving out that he probably just asked where the women's toilets were.

BundleBoogie · 14/06/2025 16:46

Bunniesnotbullies · 14/06/2025 16:24

“I have some health challenges and the [parliamentary] staff had kindly sat me at the back of the committee room, right by the door, so that I could pop along the corridor [to the ladies’ loo], which I had to do once earlier,” White said. “We got to the end of the select committee and they directed me [again] to the facilities I used.”

So it wasn't his fault because he was sent there, twice.

It never is, is it.

Yes, he makes it sound like he was totally passive in this and ‘what’s he supposed to do’ if a member of staff was utterly ‘convinced’ he is really a woman and needed to be directed to the ladies (twice).

wantmorenow · 14/06/2025 16:50

Amazing women. Kate and Heather I salute you.

Petitchat · 14/06/2025 16:51

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 15:38

The beauty of the ruling is all of us know we can call people out now. It makes everyone much safer.

Don't know if I'm being mean in my old age but I feel so happy about all this.
It's really made my day honestly...

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 14/06/2025 16:57

ARichtGoodDram · 14/06/2025 16:29

"attending a meeting of the women and equalities committee"

What a joke. A man is signposted to the women's loos while attending a meeting of the women and equalities committee - that says it all really

You couldn’t make it up.