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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

House of Commons apologises after RMW permitted to use ladies' loos

277 replies

SidewaysOtter · 14/06/2025 15:20

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

RMW claims he had never been challenged on his use of women's loos before - well, now he has, and the HoC has acknowledged it was wrong to allow him into those facilities.

House of Commons says sorry after trans barrister uses ladies’ loo

Robin Moira White was attending a parliamentary committee meeting about the Supreme Court ruling that defined a woman according to biological sex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

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OldCrone · 14/06/2025 20:10

RubyTrees · 14/06/2025 20:07

But surely even a male can’t get pregnant if they’ve reached menopause? 🤔

How do you know when a male has reached menopause?

Redshoeblueshoe · 14/06/2025 20:15

I'm sure the judge will be telling us all about his menopause.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/06/2025 20:19

the HoC has acknowledged it was wrong to allow him into those facilities

i should fucking think so too

Seriestwo · 14/06/2025 20:20

RMW has medical issues? I’m not surprised by that, transition isn’t good for you

Mmmnotsure · 14/06/2025 20:44

thenoisiesttermagant · 14/06/2025 17:26

Nope and the fact he's a lawyer, and therefore - one would think - would be especially keen to follow the law, makes it even worse.

So no Muslim women or other women of faith whose religion requires single sex spaces in parliament that day (or any other women who have reasons they can't used mixed sex spaces) would have anywhere to pee because this bloke just decided he wanted to use the woman's despite having 3 other toilets to choose from (Gender neutral, men's, disabled if his disability is real and not self ID).

So effectively excluding all these many many women from attending the women and equalities committee.

It's just abusive DARVO on steroids.

Baroness Falkner is Muslim.

Datun · 14/06/2025 21:02

SabrinaThwaite · 14/06/2025 18:00

The planets aligned perfectly - RMW, at the WEC, listening to the SC judgment being discussed, and being called out by women from ‘trans hate group’ LGBA.

You couldn’t make it up.

It's almost perfect in its symmetry.

Although, I don't think any of it is coincidental. Brilliantly well done to Kate and Heather.

They have stood in front of these men, pointing just in front of them, and said, see that, that's the road you've just fucking run out of.

Tallisker · 14/06/2025 21:19

Brilliantly well done to Kate and Heather.
They have stood in front of these men, pointing just in front of them, and said, see that, that's the road you've just fucking run out of.

Perfect, Datun

LeftieRightsHoarder · 14/06/2025 21:21

Is there any comeback when a lawyer states repeatedly that he intends to break the law? Given that they’re meant to, you know, support the law?

Or is this just a natural event in the topsy-turvy world of genderism?

LeftieRightsHoarder · 14/06/2025 21:23

Tallisker · 14/06/2025 21:19

Brilliantly well done to Kate and Heather.
They have stood in front of these men, pointing just in front of them, and said, see that, that's the road you've just fucking run out of.

Perfect, Datun

Yay! And 💐💐💐 to those brave women.

Promo981 · 14/06/2025 21:26

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 15:38

The beauty of the ruling is all of us know we can call people out now. It makes everyone much safer.

Doubt it makes RMW feel safe in the men's loo.

Promo981 · 14/06/2025 21:27

LeftieRightsHoarder · 14/06/2025 21:21

Is there any comeback when a lawyer states repeatedly that he intends to break the law? Given that they’re meant to, you know, support the law?

Or is this just a natural event in the topsy-turvy world of genderism?

Is it actually against the law for someone to use the toilets designated for members of the opposite sex?

Leafstamp · 14/06/2025 21:35

Telegraph reporting on it too.

I couldn’t be more delighted that it is RMW that’s hit the headlines for this.

archive.ph/xA002

Leafstamp · 14/06/2025 21:36

Promo981 · 14/06/2025 21:27

Is it actually against the law for someone to use the toilets designated for members of the opposite sex?

Yes.

murasaki · 14/06/2025 21:40

Promo981 · 14/06/2025 21:26

Doubt it makes RMW feel safe in the men's loo.

Oh dear, how sad, what a shame.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/06/2025 21:46

Leafstamp · 14/06/2025 21:35

Telegraph reporting on it too.

I couldn’t be more delighted that it is RMW that’s hit the headlines for this.

archive.ph/xA002

The 'mother of all parliaments' also waiting to be told what to do??? 🤯
Thanks for the link.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 14/06/2025 21:56

LeftieRightsHoarder · 14/06/2025 21:21

Is there any comeback when a lawyer states repeatedly that he intends to break the law? Given that they’re meant to, you know, support the law?

Or is this just a natural event in the topsy-turvy world of genderism?

I wonder what his professional body would think about him stating he's going to break the law and then being caught doing so. Shameful.

Petitchat · 14/06/2025 22:07

borntobequiet · 14/06/2025 18:48

Well, it might, because apparently a male judge can get pregnant if not using contraception. Anything can happen in the topsy turvy world that is genderism.

Bit like Alice In Wonderland.......

Harassedevictee · 14/06/2025 22:13

The thing that really undermines RMW in this case is the gender neutral toilets in the same area. RMW cannot argue there was no other option because they felt unsafe using the men’s.

As many have said over the years, service providers having single sex and gender neutral provision is the ideal solution. It is legally compliant, doesn’t discriminate and respects everyone’s privacy and dignity.

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 22:15

There’s a couple of articles that I could have pointed to but they have disappeared. Weird. I think Robin thinks Robin’s toilet is the women’s but wants mixed sex toilets for people transitioning or those who prefer them. Happy to be corrected.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 14/06/2025 22:24

Same old story, nobody minds or challenges ( so it’s not a problem) when inevitably someone does mind or challenges then it’s a them problem ( the big meanies as no one else minds so it’s still not a problem.)

I work in the civil service and it has been said (nicely) that there are unisex loos throughout the estate if trans colleagues are uncomfortable using the loos of their biological sex.

same should apply in hoc tbh.

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 22:25

Harassedevictee · 14/06/2025 22:13

The thing that really undermines RMW in this case is the gender neutral toilets in the same area. RMW cannot argue there was no other option because they felt unsafe using the men’s.

As many have said over the years, service providers having single sex and gender neutral provision is the ideal solution. It is legally compliant, doesn’t discriminate and respects everyone’s privacy and dignity.

The problem is when you start looking at universal designs you find that they aren’t popular. People may campaign for them but women won’t use them if they have a choice. They are dirtier, smellier, and not as safe.

Document T (English building regs) has got that right. Single sex provision first, then once that is satisfied, universal designs if room (exception if only space for one loo etc).

Women's toilet provision should not be reduced for increasing unisex provision.

WallaceinAnderland · 14/06/2025 22:37

“We got to the end of the select committee and they directed me [again] to the facilities I used.”

This does not sound like a true statement. Why would he ask for directions again when he had already been there once.

SidewaysOtter · 14/06/2025 22:50

Promo981 · 14/06/2025 21:26

Doubt it makes RMW feel safe in the men's loo.

Firstly, why wouldn't he be safe in the men's loo? What do you think men are going to do to him?

And secondly - like many places - there were unisex loos he could have used.

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Harassedevictee · 14/06/2025 22:51

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/06/2025 22:25

The problem is when you start looking at universal designs you find that they aren’t popular. People may campaign for them but women won’t use them if they have a choice. They are dirtier, smellier, and not as safe.

Document T (English building regs) has got that right. Single sex provision first, then once that is satisfied, universal designs if room (exception if only space for one loo etc).

Women's toilet provision should not be reduced for increasing unisex provision.

I agree, single sex + gender neutral provision is what I view as the best way forward. I also agree with you about the risks of cubicles.

My point was that in this particular case Portcullis House has single sex + gender neutral provision.

ILikeDungs · 14/06/2025 22:51

" Why would he ask for directions again when he had already been there once."

Because it was not really asking, it was performative.