Juno Dawson calls feminists 'maggots'

[ArabellaScott]

Dawson is making very little sense in this article, but the woman-hatred is very clear.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-pride-trans-woman-supreme-court-b2765178.html

What on earth has Juno had done to the nose? It seems to be in several parts.

I have no useful comment to make re maggots, I am referring those to our frequent visitor Butterfly, who presumably is an expert on insect transmogrification.

Lmfao at that headline, yeah that's right Juno you aren't a woman you're a man who had his penis modified but your still a man and always will be, there is literally zero you can do about it.

He doesn't want to say what a woman, he just wants to be one? Well in order to want to be a woman I guess he must recognise what one is and therefore have a good idea that a women is an adult human female and that he isn't that. He will just abstain from defining a woman because that would rule him out of ever being one.

Very telling that he refers to real woman as "maggots" and again with the gaslighting that most women love them and regard men like him as "sisters" when in reality women are just socialised to be nice and even though many women he has imposed on and transgressed the boundaries of will feel deeply uncomfortable with him they will choose to avoid conflict with a large, fairly manly looking delusional male who could easily break their jaw or worse in any ensuing argument, not to mention the risk of social punishment within certain circles.

The truth is that men like Juno just need to accept they aren't women and that no amount of surgery, hormones, dresses or make up will ever change that he's a man. He can live as he likes nobody can stop him playing make believe but we can prevent men like him from entering women's spaces, women's sports and representing women in anyway, no women only short lists, no women's prizes. I personally don't believe people should be able to change sex on their legal documents because it allows people to erase their past identity and crimes, and could lead to male crimes being logged as committed be females.

I think it was a mistake to allow these men to change their sex on these documents because as we can now see it erroneously has lead them to believe that they are women and seen as women legally which is actually not the case and never has been. I would support this ability to change sex on legal documents to be removed as a way to ensure clarity over the reality of the situation and to ensure women's safety, privacy and rights are secure.

He seems to think women who object to men like him and his kind "don’t want to see us revel in joy" well if he's referring to getting his jollies in women's spaces then he's correct, we don't want to see that or enable it. If he means we don't want him to be happy because he imagines he's a woman he should know that we simply don't give a shit what he does with his life, he can imagine he's yogi bear for all I care. All women are fighting for the right to not be erased by fetishistic men who by claiming to be legally women make what a woman is meaningless. We won't our sex based rights to be clearly defined in law as applying to actually women only and to have our single sex spaces also protected in law.

Men like Juno only prove with gaslighting like this that they hate women and see us as less than human, he should just has titled his article "Shut up bitches and let me in".

I used to love Charlie Brooker - I've got all his books. He was a gloriously ascerbic writer then, sending a howl of rage at the disappointments of the entertainment industry, with pin point accuracy.

His final column was fantastically self aware of that difficulty of balancing his critic life with his celebrity life -

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/16/charlie-brooker-leaving-screen-burn

In what I now think of as the "before times", i.e before I knew about genderism, malaga airport etc, I would have thought these men were fantasising about abusing those girls but knowing what I know now it struck me that they were probably fantasising about being those girls being abused by men like them - an even more horrific level of horror.

Thank you. I think that's a really interesting and almost certainly correct conclusion. Similar to Grace Lavery and Andrea Long Chu. To be a woman is to be abused:

www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/19/a-pornified-view-of-womanhood/

I find it incredible how much today’s gender identity politics subscribes to stereotypes. People have come up with a litany of different ‘genders’ because one stereotype or another doesn’t apply to them and they don’t want to be put in boxes…they say, while putting themselves into ever smaller boxes. Women or men can like non-stereotypical things without needing some special category, twenty years ago that was just called ‘everybody’s different’.

Women or men can like non-stereotypical things without needing some special category, twenty years ago that was just called ‘everybody’s different’.

This is so true and I think it applies even further back into the 1970's and late 1960's as well. There was a lot of gender non-conformity some of it disapproved of but most young people at least, felt able to express themselves and dress however they chose. More importantly none of it was trampling on personal boundaries.

And they also put themselves in the opposite sex stereotype box like Dawson. Constantly going on about liking dolls and dresses and being attracted to girly stuff as a child etc - if I like these it must mean I'm not a boy, I'm a girl because I fit a girl stereotype! (the kind that women have been fighting to escape for centuries). Then they present being trans as if it's about being "different" or "non-conforming" and meanie old feminist bigots are cross because they don't like gender nonconformity 🤦🏻‍♀️

As a TW, you could only consider yourself non-conforming if you considered yourself a man. If you think you're a woman, you're conforming to the point of extreme sexism.

And the pattern continues... Every time, every time I've heard a trans person complain about how it's so hard to be trans, it's been a transwoman. That's not to say that transmen find it easy; it's that typically, in my experience, transwomen tend to complain while transmen tend to look for solutions to make life smoother - and quite frankly, just don't tend to make mountains from molehills.

Then again, it makes sense. Look at what JD says is so hard about being trans:

• Issues with medical help;
• Issues with prejudice and discrimination;
• Intolerance; intolerance in the media;
• Ignorance; people believing what they read in the newspaper.

In other words: all things women experience from birth, but men don't, or not as much. So what JD, and so many other transwomen, complain about, is simply not being the top dog anymore.

Maybe self-centred attention-seeking men are drawn to the ideology that praises them as being stunning and brave, while accepting mantrums. It doesn't encourage reflection on reality or seeking mental health support.
Thus, the ideology provides an ideal lifestyle choice for such men. Add in those with control issues and it's a loud dominant group.

Remember when The Spectator was reprimanded by the press regulator IPSO for calling author Juno Dawson “a man who claims to be a woman”?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5227876-the-spectator-in-trouble-for-stating-the-truth

Complete tangent, but the bratz doll collecting reminded me of the delightful thing from about 10 years ago when a Tasmanian women went viral for her bratz doll ‘make-unders.’ It’s all very lovely and wholesome.

The collectors hate this trend apparently as she ‘ruined’ potentially collectible dolls. But watching the video, the difference in them before and after the ‘make under’ treatment is profound and striking. The fact men like Juno collect the original dolls is very telling.

The performative body language in that clip is something to behold. I felt a bit sorry for the person in the blue lipstick who no longer has the energy to hide his drag when anyone comes round. I feel much the same about the undone washing-up.

My inner armchair psychologist might wonder if that's because the reasons for transition in the first place are different between men and women.

Perhaps transition, for transmen, is felt as the solution to a smoother life, because it's got to be easier being a man than a woman. Maybe there's an inherent commitment in being a transman to making this happen.

Whereas transition for transwomen, detailed in their own autobiographies, seems to be born of a potent mix of shame and internalised prejudice. Left unchecked and forbidden to be psychologically explored (because transphobic) this appears to give rise to a dangerous viciousness towards the class of humans they say they are part of. There's zero commitment to being anything at all like an actual woman, it's all colonisation and appropriation and tantrums when they hear a "no". (Not all transwomen are like that, of course. But bizarrely almost all the transwomen championed by the Guardian and BBC.)

Or perhaps the root cause is similar for both sexes but the way of dealing with it is different because of socialisation and the patriarchal world we live in.

Transwomen's "top dog" status is alive and well for the most part though. Women haven't achieved equality yet.

Those made over dolls are so lovely, thanks, I hadn’t heard of that very clever woman before.

I thought that there was a teenage level of self-absorption that came across in much of what they said. So much time spent ruminating on what other people think of them, and what they think about what they think other people think of them.

I also love the make-under dolls.

Reminded me of the Ru Paul quote from way back: "we're all born naked, everything else is drag" . I really agree with that. Doesn't mean I don't perform elements of it, however.

I find the hyper "feminine", very homogeneous, heavily enhanced, look that is popular at the moment, very very similar to drag. In areas where that's the dominant fashion, I do wonder if it serves to alienate even more girls from feeling they are a woman. And I guess it also demonstrates to some boys that being a woman is simply about the right products, surgeries and time spent grooming.

I'd be interested to hear what the moderators say. I'd also like to hear your account.

The Kardashian 'look' is v drag influenced, I think, with all the contouring and highlighting to reshape the face, and the overdrawn lips. Woman has been made into something anyone can buy. A lot of it driven by Instagram, which is just an interactive shopping channel pretending it's about making friends. But I also think we're in a time more generally where women are just commodities - only fans, surrogacy, the female body broken down into convenient purchasable parts, either those of an actual woman or female parts you can attach to your own body. False nails, injected lips, latex breasts for next day delivery on amazon.

But Butler's theories of performativity don't enable this. We can't just go out and enact any identity we please. I'm talking of her work long before she went through the looking glass of fantasy identities, but the idea of gendered performativity simply doesn't work like that. It's constrained by the very regressive gendered stereotypes they claim to be resisting.

And here's yet another example of these idiots completely failing to understand their own coopted, convoluted theories because they don't have the critical capacity.

And people like this are invading our universities. No wonder the HE system is in the state it is.

Watching the girls playing with those lovely dolls in that video made me almost tearful . That’s the most wholesome thing I’ll see today-thank you!

it strangely feels like the dolls have been rescued. The woman’s husband says ‘she’s just so nice to them’!

Aw I love this. Those dolls are incredible and have the power to make people see dolls differently I think.

I was wondering what could be so fascinating about a clip on making dolls, but it absolutely is!

It's so interesting that the girls playing with them were saying things like I want to bounce on the trampoline, I like to go camping, let's run.

Nothing about drinking cocktails and shagging out of town commuters, funnily enough.

Thank you for posting this video!
Just wonderful seeing those dolls and the children playing with them. Totally delightful.
Such a wholesome oasis in this crazy world, and in the topic being discussed.
Made me feel simultaneously sad and happy.

Previous posters should check out Lottie dolls for a non sexualised doll which is available to buy.