Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

[Windy23]

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

Did you quote the wrong post here?

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You refuse to fall for a trap of your own making, you mean.

The definition of lesbian is finite unless you’re into the homophobic trans ideology definition.

You think men can be lesbians and you accuse others of homophobia. It’s the trap of your own definitions.

Lesbians are female, by definition. (Obviously I'm not including trans women in that definition.)

Why would they not be allowed in female only spaces?

I am in several WhatsApp lesbian groups based in Scotland, and understandably there is a lot of dismay about what has happened in Arran tonight.

I refuse to fall for a trap set by someone who mistakenly believes that definitions comprised of inherently finite and limited language can ever encapsulate the complexity of lived lives

Yes. You appear to be denying that lesbians and gay men exist as a defined (therefore protected) entity. That would be homophobic.

Yes, many lesbian groups have been taken over by trans activists and exclude actual lesbians who know that a lesbian cannot have a penis.

Female lesbians?
Honestly cannot think of any other group other than TRA as stunningly exhibited here by suggestions who clearly want the right to determine how others think amd speak!

We exist, despite many people wishing that we never did.

We refuse to have our own identities used as a stick to beat ourselves with.

We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.

Yes it's most likely a hate crime. It would depend on the motivation.

Honestly you're not that important or in the minds of others as youd like to think!.
The general population just don't want blokes as in male bodied, XY gened people in female loos/changing,.that's it!

Lesbian WhatsApp groups with men in them. Par for the course in gender land. Persistent, daily homophobia.

This is not a hate crime FFS.

also amused that there's a Palestinian flag flying. Morons.

Not that many on mumsnet as far as I recall.

You were listing hateful behaviour seen on here specifically - please do give specific examples of hateful stuff.

please do try to look past what you’ve been told and really look at what people are saying.

Just quoting this a second time because I don't want it to get lost.

Can you explain why you think objecting to trans women (male people) in a female only space leads to objecting to lesbians (female people) in a female only space?

I refuse to fall for a trap set by someone who mistakenly believes that definitions comprised of inherently finite and limited language can ever encapsulate the complexity of lived lives.

This is one of my favourite ripostes in a long time. A deliciously mind-bending paradox inviting the total collapse of language itself. Unintentionally gorgeous.

Books? Inherently finite and limited language that can never encapsulate the complexity of the published work.

Cats? Inherently finite and limited language that can never encapsulate the complexity of feline existence.

Definition? Inherently finite and limited language that can never encapsulate the complex relationship between signifier and signified.

Human? Totally inadequate as a descriptor in the light of the above. Better not even try.

And, despairing, language itself fades and dies...

Butler would be proud. Sapir-Whorf make a good point.

Do the police in Scotland ever investigate real crimes?

no

REAL as in hurty feelz? That's all they do!

What type of flag design were they? The old-school rainbow one, or the new-fangled regressive one?

I am openly bisexual and had a lot of lesbian relationships.

I would remive every pride flag if i could. I hate that rainbow BS.

Is that the ‘royal we’?

I’m sure you’d like to speak for all lesbians and gay men but it’s very clear that you don’t.

We refuse to have our own identities used as a stick to beat ourselves with.

How is accepting a sex based definition of lesbian a stick to beat yourself with? Either you are a lesbian (women exclusively attracted to other women - no penises involved) or not?

Having a settled definition that has enabled protection of rights and against discrimination is not ‘haranguing other people for their stated identities‘.

Are you against legal protection for gay rights?

Because transphobia is strongly linked with homophobia, and the people motivated by one are usually motivated by the other.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226589320_Gender_Differences_in_Correlates_of_Homophobia_and_Transphobia

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/casp.851

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-023-00879-z

Are you aware that lesbian women have been kicked out of Pride events for asserting their sexual orientation?

Hang on, were you anywhere near Arran last night? Can you account for your whereabouts between the hours of 02:00 and 07:00?

Christ alive it's so exhausting....its been exhausting since 2020.....

When will this weird woke competitive nightmare ever end?