World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.

[GargoylesofBeelzebub]

worldboxing.org/news/

Guess we'll finally find out whether Imane Khelif is female or not. I suspect he will avoid the testing "out of principle" 🤭

A year on oestrogen absolutely does not undo the male athletic advantage. It covers build, bone density, fast twitch muscle, haemoglobin levels, lung capacity, Q angle. It makes a man a bit worse but it absolutely does not undo male puberty or remove the male advantage. That is absolute shash. As a PhD he should be utterly ashamed to spout such complete nonsense.

And even if it did, it still shouldn't be allowed because these sports are reserved for women. Women don't have the option to take T and become as athletic as men. As long as men can hobble themselves (he thinks a woman is and artificially impeded man??) and entering as women, they have two opportunities, an option to enter either, while women have whatever is left over.

Honestly he needs to go fuck himself.

Yep, I'll let him have one more reply then I'm going to tell him he is a misogynist who only cares about men LARPing as women and not actual women.

He won't like that. But hey, it is true.

I think you've invested way too much time on him already. These people will only turn when the whole grift is up. And that probably means when there isn't any money in it anymore.

I had understood Willoughby was once a journalist of some sort. Obviously of the sort that doesn't fact-check, as Princess Anne was in the 1976 Olympic Games in, as a pp said, a sport not affected by sex, but also that was a year before her first child was born. So she didn't have children when she took part, as Willoughby claimed.

Or how mixed sex suddenly becomes safe? 🤔

I'm currently reading his employer's social media policy. One of the examples of 'unacceptable' includes:

content that could be discriminatory, intimidating, offensive, threatening or amount to bullying or harassment;

Under the 'personal use' I found the following:

When using social media in a personal context, staff are still expected to uphold University values, respect other employees, students and stakeholders, and protect confidentiality, privacy and security.

I might remind him of this policy.

To go through the full gamut of arguments ...

No one can change sex

Therefore men can never have rights to women's single sex spaces

If they (men) feel unsafe in the men's, due to the presence of other men - why would that be women's problem to solve?

They can campaign for third spaces

What about other groups of vulnerable men? Why single out just this one group?

If they try the sex / gender bait and switch - gender identity is a metaphysical belief about the self. There is no objective, verifiable evidence that a man can have a 'female gender identity'. You can't force people to adhere to your metaphysical, faith based beliefs over their own scientific, verifiable ones.

Anyway, women's material realities (their sex) are vulnerable to men's material realities (their sex). Not 'gender'.

Basics of safeguarding is that you cannot tell well intentioned men from ill intentioned men. Exactly the same principle applies to trans-identified men. Women are not reasonable collateral damage because you've let the Isla Bryson's of the world into their spaces.

Women have rights too, y'know. They do not consent to men in their intimate spaces.

Any more?

I think Indie is saying she failed a sex test but went on to have children rather than having children then failing the test but either way I doubt a princess of the British royal family secretly being a bloke has been successfully hushed up for almost 50 years if the test was the point at which anyone found out (or 70+ years if someone has known all along) but 'they' are sharing this news with Indie!

Also if she had undergone a sex test it was someone having a feel of your boobs and a finger in the vag.

@WorriedMutha

I don't think it is a waste of time as others are reading, it something that Richard Dawkins says about debating, you won't change the mind of the person you are debating but someone in the audience may be influenced.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/03/imane-khelif-sex-tests-scandal-everlasting-shame-on-ioc/

Oliver Brown at the forefront of support for women's sport again with a scathing attack on the IOC.

OMG, he is no longer where I thought, his new employer is, a charity that develops partnership programmes with organisations working across education, health and social care. With partners and stakeholders we identify unmet needs and define shared goals.

And has developed a A safe and simple tool empowering people to report culture-damaging behaviour directly to their organisation.

You couldn't make this up

Not at the Montreal Olympics - it was Barre body testing by then (so a cheek swab).

Really? I did not realise it was used as early as that, thank you, every day is a school day.

I think you’re mixing up a genuine charity with a commercial company that has developed reporting software?

Ah but one of the current TRA lines is that of course you can't actually change your biological sex, it's not biological sex it's gender identity that matters, so males with female gender identities should be considered as women for the purposes of single sex spaces etc.

Slippery, isn't it? It's as if they've realised that, thanks to science and biology and that kind of awkward factual stuff, they've lost the argument that TWAW are exactly the same as all other women - only a short time ago it was hateful transphobic bigotry to suggest that TW were in any way not the same as all other women.

So now they [some of them] concede that you can't actually change sex, but you can have a different gender identity. Whatever that is. Usefully, there's no test for it so TRAs can just assert its existence and demand special treatment for males with female gender identities.

That might work OK on Reddit, but on MN and in the UK Supreme Court, we need a bit more explanation of
'I am a woman because I have a female gender identity' than
'Because I say so, and anybody who doesn't accept what I say is a hate-fuelled transphobic bigot'.

A safe and simple tool empowering people to report culture-damaging behaviour directly to their organisation.

Bloody hell! Dystopian.

They'd better develop a test for woman gender identity quick smart in that case. Since many, many, many female athletes don't even believe in it, never mind locate it to objectively verify it.

It's on the register off charities.

@lcakethereforeIam on their twix they are being followed by transgender trend and a few other GC people / orgs.

If it’s the name I’m thinking off, they are two different entities - one is a charity run by volunteers that helps with arts based projects in Sussex and one is a commercial business that develops software (it’s listed on Companies House).

ETA: As it seems to specialise in software for universities and colleges, it’s no surprise to see it’s also followed by Jo TWAW Grady.

I think 2 reasons. The first is that the LA Olympics are approaching which might have gone like last time but Trump is expected to be president in Summer 2028 and he, and particularly some of the people around him, are strongly opposed to men competing in women's elite sporting events. I think the WBO is looking to get ahead of that and this is a great opportunity to start making the necessary changes. The second is that I suspect that now they've been having discussions about getting men out of women's boxing, they've woken up to the fact that competitions have been running a significant risk of serious injury to women which would be catastophically bad PR for the body with overall responsibility.

they've woken up to the fact that competitions have been running a significant risk of serious injury to women which would be catastophically bad PR for the body with overall responsibility.

And their insurance premiums, surely?

Yep, follow the money!

I do think there is a culture change element that this can now be said out loud without fear of aggressive cancellation. Although perhaps that's wishful thinking!

Women have already been badly injured. American trans boxer Fallon Fox broke women's skulls and boasted about it on social media (he said he loved punching terfs). Angela Carini would have known about this so of course she conceded after that punch knowing what happens when men box women. This ideology makes it OK for men to break women's bones, publicly gloat about it, gaslight women about it and villainises women who speak up about it. It's not about dressing and presenting as you feel right for you, at its heart it's fucking evil.

I was just coming back to say that, it seems the charity commission has a glitch. And the Charity looks like it is one I would support. Thank you for clarifying.