World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.

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worldboxing.org/news/

Guess we'll finally find out whether Imane Khelif is female or not. I suspect he will avoid the testing "out of principle" 🤭

For me the problems are:
a. men who come into women's bathrooms, trans or not, are men prepared to disregard women's boundaries and therefore seem more dangerous than the average men
b. how do we tell the lovely, just wants to pee (but happy to disregard women's boundaries) transwomen from a predatory man?
c. you may be happy to go to the men's bathroom but many women aren't

Also, dp who is also a PhD level scientist (biologist), even before he fully grasped the implication GI has for his partner (me), his daughter, sisters, mother, all his many female friends, never ever believed or claimed to believe TWAW for the simple reason that it is an untruth and scientifically bollocks.
How old is your friend and what area of STEM?

At the time of the Khalief/Carini bout, Algeria FC posted a picture of Carini crying on TwiX with the caption “Cry harder”. It’s been reposted a lot over the last few days along the lines of “Well, this aged well?” and now they’ve deleted the post.

They were quick enough to take the “glory” (not that there was any glory in a man punching a woman) but the flack? Not so much. Cowards.

The Eindhoven competition draw takes place tomorrow (Thursday). Has Khelif suffered that last minute injury yet?

sashh · Today 05:21

So I woke up to this

Quite apart from anything else, is he getting his copy & paste replies from an American? Bathrooms indeed!

Yep.

I'm a 5 ft 0 middle aged disabled woman. I'm hardly a threat to a man.

But if I can use the men's and be safe why can't a TW?

In fact I might have to start using them on a regular basis to avoid the TW.

@Igneococcus early 40's.

@Igneococcus sorry I think if I put his thesis or publications he could be identified.

Is he in life science or chemistry, physics, math? I remember when discussing creationism in the early days of the internet the most fervent "i'm STEM and a creationist" posters where always engineers of some sort.

Khelif has been clear that he's not trans in a way that would have had him deemed a transphobe if he hadn't been adopted by the cause...

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5138713-thread-4-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?reply=137550174&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

I always wonder why men’s bathrooms are considered too unsafe for TW (who are actually male), and yet they are considered safe for TM (actual females).

I suspect it’s computer science that is now home to many TRAs.

Sorry sashh, I haven’t been following. But have you told this bloke that we deserve privacy and dignity and that we use toilets very differently to male people. You can run through my list of what I have used the toilet for which includes needing privacy from male people because doors are jammed open due to prams and wheelchairs. And using the basin area to clean up.

Not sure if it would sink in. And really, he seems to be not willing to listen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/03/imane-khelif-sex-tests-scandal-everlasting-shame-on-ioc/#comment

Oliver Brown again. I am waiting for it to be archived.

1. TW are not women. He says they are, it's an argument by assertion, aka a lie. They're not. Their undefined, subjective lady feeling is not categorisable, being undefined and subjective. I don't have a lady feeling. I'm just female. Transmen presumably don't have that feeling. NB presumably don't have that feeling. TW are not physically female, they're not women.

1. Indeed they should not be unsafe in the men's and there's no evidence that they are. However, shared toilets are known to be less safe for women and women are known to self exclude from them in a way men don't, for example Scottish schoolgirls getting UTIs from not using their mixed toilets all day.

1. I don't think you should use the men's, as it's their space. However, you probably are safer entering their space than allowing men to self select into women's. The men in there aren't transgressing women's boundaries.

He is committing the classic goon move of thinking everything is about trans people and nothing is about women. So he sees your desire for a female space driven not by women's safety, but by a wish to "hurt" trans people. Because at the end of the day, he thinks women are secondary support humans and there's no place in which they might be the priority.

Also, if TW can use women's toilets, there's no other place they could be excluded from on account of being male. You can't be a woman when you pee but not when you're in a boxing ring or rape crisis centre. It's absurd.

Does he get that they are excluded from certain spaces because they are male, nothing to do with being trans?

When a woman goes into the men's she is taking risk herself.
When men enter the women's they are putting all women in a mixed sex space so they all bare the risk (even if he won't accept the TW are a risk then can't he see that letting some men in let's any men in).

Lots of males are 'at risk' in the men's boys, old men, disabled men, small men, ill men, drunk men. Does he think women should welcome them all into the ladies?

Toilets are the tip of the iceberg - does he think changing rooms, hospital wards, prison cells and hmmm boxing rings should become mixed sex too?

If men are unsafe around other men that is a 'men' problem not a women problem and men need to solve it.

Here's the archive: https://archive.ph/0FjFL

Yes, I have listed things like cleaning up and terminations happening in public toilets. I've done the getting away from the creep in the club by escaping to the ladies.

He clearly thinks TWAW. He said that a year of HRT stops any advantage men have over women in sports.

It started because I made a comment about the Algerian cheating male boxer being a man.

Can I just say thank you to everyone on here. The first post was quite a nasty personal attack and you have saved my sanity.

@GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen Yes when I mentioned Isla Bryson and Karen White he was very dismissive of them as, "A couple of rapists"

@sashh He clearly thinks TWAW. He said that a year of HRT stops any advantage men have over women in sports.

Point him at this paper then - written by a TW so he can’t claim it’s biased against TW.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349735575_How_does_hormone_transition_in_transgender_women_change_body_composition_muscle_strength_and_haemoglobin_Systematic_review_with_a_focus_on_the_implications_for_sport_participation

Also worth noting that its conclusion that values for strength, LBM and muscle area in transwomen remain above those of cisgender women, even after 36 months of hormone therapy only looks at 3 years of data because that’s all the data they have.

😏

Sadly, he will swing which ever way he feels is righteous but you have probably given him stuff to consider when he hears about incidents that might give him pause. But then, I try to be an optimist and often over do it.

Exactly. He has gone step by step through the Stonewall playbook. He actually went to 'Do you know any trans people, I do"

Well sweetie, when he was still in primary school I was performing cardiac and respiratory testing, including on trans patients.

I've got a question - why are the sex test results from 2023 now being taken seriously?

The same journalist, Alan Abrahamson, is being credited for the same test results that were raised during the Olympics. I've already seen the documents and I'm sure many on here have too (assuming they're genuine)

Is it the change in culture? Trump, SC ruling - now we're allowed to see and know this. Is it something else 🤔?

Why are so many transwomen so resistant to using mixed gender spaces calling it an infringement of their rights and instead insist on using the women's? It's not because they 'just want to pee', it's explicitly because they want to use the women in the toilets either for validation or because they are there for vouyeristic reasons.

I think it is a change in the governing body. International Boxing Association (IBA) had a lot of questions and were dropped by the International Olympic committee (IOC) who were in charge of the boxing in Tokyo and Paris. The IOC goes by the identifier in someone's passport.

A new organisation, World Boxing (WB) is due to take over in time for the next Olympics.

IBA used sex testing, the IOC didn't, WB are going to use testing.

Tell him that Mammals cannot change sex. If he won't accept that basic truth he is lost and not worth your time.

I'd be asking him how a man can be a woman. When does this transformation take place and how?