World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.

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worldboxing.org/news/

Guess we'll finally find out whether Imane Khelif is female or not. I suspect he will avoid the testing "out of principle" 🤭

Fallon Fox is in MMA, not boxing.

Same principles apply, of course, but totally unrelated governing bodies.

It's the stasi, finally updated for the 21st century!

Thank you, I stand corrected.

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Absolutely and utterly chilling.

A local TV newsreader I think.

It's probably down the back of the sofa somewhere.

They wont develop a test - they would expect women to do that for them 😉.

I wanted to see what Wikipedia was saying about Khelif and it's the usual wikipedia nonsense but in search of more background I wandered into the talk section where editors discuss changes to the text. There's a tra refusing to change the statement that 'In 2023, Umar Kremley president of the IBA, falsely claimed that the disqualifications were because DNA tests 'proved they had XY chromosomes'. Others on the thread are arguing that you can't possibly state this is false. It's fascinating.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imane_Khelif

That wiki talk page is fascinating - I especially enjoyed this bit:

someone else called caster semenya is long 100% proven to be XY and male, but is an "intersex woman" through "identifying" as a woman, just like how imane also identifies as a woman, this article will always be a bit biased in calling imane an "intersex woman" (a completely nonsense idea resulting from wikipedia being ran by TRAs who reify the concept of gender identity) so producing an accurate article is simply not possible here

I get the impression from the talk page that Wikipedia has deemed every single media outlet as "unreliable for transgender issues" to ensure you can't ever get the truth about anything sex-related in there.

I suspect Pink News would be deemed an acceptable source.

Look at the wiki talk page on anything to do with gender critical and you'll usually spot the same cadre of TRA volunteer editors (don't know what they're called exactly, but I assume they're moderators of some sort)..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adult_human_female#Completely_biased

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Magdalen_Berns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genspect

See any similarities? A recurring name on those pages (and there are many more examples) appears even in the Imane Khelif talk page. Fascinating to see.

Janice Turner talks about it in her Notebook in the Times today. I can do sharetoken later when I'm on a different device but here is a C&P of it:

"After Imane Khelif pounded the Italian boxer Angela Carini so hard she abandoned their fight only 46 seconds in, the Paris Olympics exploded in controversy. On one side were those noting that Khelif had tested male in two separate lab tests (disqualifying the Algerian from the 2023 women’s world championships in India); on the other was the International Olympic Committee (IOC), which believed an “F” for female in Khelif’s passport was sufficient proof.
If your job was BBC boxing expert, if you’d heard concerns from athletes including the Team GB double gold-medal boxer Nicola Adams, if you knew your sport was potentially lethal and that men punch 2.6 times harder than women, surely you’d want the matter fairly resolved.
Yet on BBC 5 Live Steve Bunce chose to attack those “damning this girl … based on how she looks” and, when implored on X to demand tests to ensure Khelif was eligible to fight women, replied: “Why do they have to prove that?”
Bunce wasn’t alone. With a few noble exceptions, the male sports pack wrote heartrendingly about Khelif’s struggle as a poor “girl” in the patriarchal Algerian society (when it would have been clear at puberty from lack of menarche and testosterone-fuelled muscularity that Khelif was male with a difference of sexual development).
Yet journalists who care so much about fair play that they write reams about one dodgy VAR decision and still bleat, almost 40 years on, about Maradona’s handball wasted few words on female boxers. That they’d only managed to get their sport included in the Olympics 12 years ago, trained punishingly hard and now had their medals stolen seemed not to matter. (Taiwan’s Lin Yu-ting, who’d also failed sex tests, Finally, this week, World Boxing introduced cheek swab tests for all woman fighters, while a member of the IOC press team leaked Khelif’s 2023 test from an accredited Indian lab. The IOC knew what we could all see with our eyes: Khelif was male.
So where are the reparations for Paris’s cheated women boxers and the apologies from Bunce et al? Forget cheek swabs. You can always tell the males in women’s competitions — they’re the ones the sports bros care about.)"

Here you go
Swabs are a knockout blow to the sports bros

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c3e8d48b-c2db-4bba-ba44-af050cdfc41e?shareToken=2a51af1488b3785babb8dde8cb98178f

Revealed: Why Imane Khelif is set to KEEP Olympic boxing gold medal, despite calls for title to be stripped after 'leaked medical report proving champion is a biological male' | Daily Mail Online

Khelif could well win a legal fight to keep the medal. However, if the authorities went after it the result could be to tarnish it, even more so than it's going to be tarnished aleady. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some negotiations going on behind the scenes about what he'll get if he walks away. Not money, rather a non-disparagement type agreement to preserve the shinyness of the medal and his reputation.

Sadly, despite it being a total lack of sportsmanship, integrity and fairness all round, he did win within the rules as they were at the time. They were shitty and ridiculous but they said he could compete as a woman if he had the right mark on his passport despite being male. So he probably won't lose the medal even though he obviously isn't a women's medalist because he's a man. He's not the first man to win a women's medal and nor was the guy who won silver.

If we're lucky, it will be widely recognised as the tarnished, worthless, fake "win" that it is and he'll stop being roundly praised and rewarded for it. It's probably the best we can hope for.

1. Jolyon Maugham is, theoretically, a legal expert.
2. Bad PR is still bad PR. This means all bets are off. Organisations like the IOC change over time with the changing of the winds. It may not happen now, but that's not to say it won't in the future.
3. When the board declare support for the manager, you know damn well they are already interviewing for his replacement.

I don't think much of the article tbh.

OK if anyone is interested I have had the latest comment, apparently I argue like a child.

Khelif would need the means to take on a legal battle.

Algeria would probably have to step in to provide that. If Khelif is male, do you think they'd want the publicity of that?

The IOC (currently) don't want the spectacle of a legal battle either. But it could be out of their hands if one of the female competitors decided to take action for some reason. This could change the dynamics, especially in view of a positive test as male.

And this is a subject very much in flux and changing rapidly. We are now starting to see open protests in California against unfair practice in women's sport. That wouldn't have happened just a year ago.

As awareness grows and the fear lessens, public anger will rise and calls will grow for this to be addressed.

We don't know where we will be in 10 or 20 years. I can imagine a scenario where the IOC eventually publicly calls for the return of the medal, revokes it on paper and issues new medals for the women who placed below. Khelif might then refuse to return but this doesn't mean Khelif would go legal to dispute this or the IOC would go legal to physically retrieve the medal. The legal stuff doesn't necessarily even matter for this reason...

I take it Imane Khalif is a no show at the Eindhoven Cup? Has anything been said?

I thought that but then I thought - surely it was in the rules that the women's category was for women? The IOC had just chosen a very stupid way for athletes to prove their sex.

Were the rules specifically that anyone with an F on their passport was eligible or were the rules that only women were eligible and the IOC would accept an F on a passport as proof that you were a woman?

Not sure if I'm explaining myself very well but could there not be a distinction there? If it's the latter it's clear that IK and the Algerian team were knowingly breaking the rules but that due to IOC incompetence it was impossible for them to be caught out in this.

Ahhh, Ad Hominem attacks. The sign of a well reasoned arguement.

OK if anyone is interested I have had the latest comment, apparently I argue like a child.
"well, then explain in very simple words that a child can understand the processes that turn a male human into a female human simply by declaring themselves to be one, ideally backed up by some peer-reviewed data"

The teams arrive this morning, with entry checks this afternoon and the draw in the evening, so we’ll know then.

But it will be strange if the ‘poster girl’ that was used to advertise the event with the caption In 2 weeks the biggest boxing event in Europe in Eindhoven! Proud that Imane Khelif is there again to defend her title! is a no show.