Am I naive in thinking that in a couple of years, if not sooner, this will all be behind us? A few court cases, people clear about the law, women's rights protected again??

[loveyouradvice]

And yes the noisy TRA far fewer in number and sidelined as the sad fringe that are left as others move on.....

Or do others think it will pan out differently??

Sounds more like a trans ally description.

I KNOW! They are very lethal. I have some half done qualifications though, and some industry experience, does that put your mind at ease. And there is always someone holding the ladder.

"I see we're busy lovebombing vulnerable trans people who are willing to sacrifice their dignity for the sake of a head pat."

Are we all on a different thread? Or is any response to Seethlaw to be considered 'lovebombing'?

This is the incongruence that happens when someone takes the false and prejudiced view that posters on FWR hate people with transgender identities. It isn't true and was not generally true in the past. I think many posters on FWR have people with transgender identities in their everyday lives and don't hate them.

This. It’s revealing.

Trans poster is hostile and offensive to every other poster- gets expected response - evil transphobia! Genocide! Hate!

Trans posters are normal and engage with discussion- gets considered/polite responses- love bombing!

I see we're busy lovebombing vulnerable trans people who are willing to sacrifice their dignity for the sake of a head pat

Patronising other trans people as well as more melodrama 🙄 People here aren’t lovebombing Seethlaw. They’re appreciating the insight given, the thoughtful contributions, the understanding - and, no doubt, the lack of histrionics. Seethlaw seems an awful lot happier than you.

You missed these bits

You forced out several colleagues because they didn't use your pronouns, which cost the company money as the clients went with the people that you got fired.

People left because of your persistent complaints about colleagues and their micro-aggressions and how so many meetings were turned in to mini trans rallies. Costing the company the expertise and skills of those that you have forced away.

You cost the company clients because when you were invited into meetings with those that wanted the company to work for them you made a big deal about being mis-gendered and demanded an apology or you would go to their companies HR.

Your passed over for promotions because lets face it you spend more time in the office pushing your agenda than you do working, and when you do work other colleagues still have to pick up the slack, and more and more of them are refusing to do so.

You are eventually made redundant because when you are measured by the same requirements as your colleagues you have been found lacking, and you reference by the company reflects this.

As for the social bit, get a life outside of work.

Well I suppose if you haven't built an entire life and career free from transphobia and then had it detonated by the legal machinations of people who constantly abuse you when you ask them to treat you like a human being, then you would seem rather more jolly right now, wouldn't you?

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"Because nothing will ever be enough."

There is that emotional manipulation again.

Society generally will not accept being told that it must fully support a philosophical belief that is not based on material reality. And trying to find a way to present a belief that is not supported by anything but that philosophical belief to make it acceptable to society is an act of manipulation.

Surely people using this tactic understand that because it is not based on material reality, the 'goal posts' certainly will feel like they keep changing. Because as people start to get a deeper perspective on this topic, because it is not based on evidence that is established science, their opinions on what is acceptable changes as they understand more about it. And that what they have been told to accept is not quite as they first understood it, or even thought about it.

People generally don't respond well to feeling they were manipulated. In the work place or in wider society.

I think this article from Robert Wintemute could be appropriate here

https://archive.ph/bDDET

“The legal machinations” like the ones that brought us the GRA?

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BOO!

... just kidding

Blah blah blah detonated, blah blah blah transphobia, blah blah blah me, me, me, over and over again. Don’t you bore yourself?

coming back to the original post; I’ve just posted this thread which highlights the gaping holes in the nhs around car for gender questioning children.

schools are beginning to tighten (a little, we await more publications) with kcsie stipulating that professionals are consulted and schools do NOT transition children without this, however - huge loopholes and cracks are still there in the nhs.

this is going to take a couple of decades imho.

Thread here - a mother’s experience in the nhs system supporting her autistic daughter with the correct unbiased care

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5343604-seeking-support-for-my-autistic-child?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Blah blah blah but what about ME, blah blah blah again, what about ME, blah blah blah I SAID, WHAT ABOUT ME??? 🤡😂

Will no one think of the men, who are willing to do ANYTHING to gain approval? Not THAT approval, THIS approval, not THAT trans person, THIS trans person. They are exhausting.

Again, melodrama with no foundation in reality, BH. The SC ruling isn’t going to suddenly make your colleagues transphobic. They know you as you and will continue to treat you as they did prior to the ruling.

Getting a legal clarification of the meaning of sex in the Equality Act wouldn’t have been necessary if the TRAs hadn’t tried to subvert and lie about it. Sex means biological sex - as most people rightly assumed until Stonewall went round telling porkies. Clarifying this not only protects women’s rights, it protects gay and lesbian people too. What about trans people, I hear you wail? They are rightly protected too under the PC of Gender Reassignment, and the ruling even went to the trouble to emphasise this and give examples.

All that’s changed is that a Single Sex space for women must be just that - single sex. Your constant histrionics about this isn’t because you genuinely fear this change, it’s because you’re pissed off that women’s rights have been upheld.

With regards to the OP, I agree that many young teens now view the entire thing with derision. The proliferation of multiple genders probably had something to do with that. It's an attention seeker's dream. And clearly a fad. Not something that the next generation will want to repeat.

The cessation of damaging medication has also removed the goal for a lot of online grooming of confused children.

And removing the ideology from schools entirely will prevent adults from indoctrinating entire year groups.

And once trans children can no longer be leveraged, then you're left with men's pissing protests and moob jiggling.

Years ago, someone very wise predicted that when this ideology's wings are finally clipped, the fallout will be grim. Transactivists have no argument. They never have. Being thwarted does not result in reason, only fury.

And it doesn't stop the ironclad determination of many men. Who will be looking for any means to carry on.

Fortunately, everyone is entirely aware now and there are a great number of women who will never stop opposing their misogyny.

@Datun 🤣

Also this.

Well, indeed.

What gets me is that Butters is completely unable to see that he expects women to get on board with his 'lie' and pretend it's material reality, whereas Seethlaw accepts being strung between two poles and also accepts that other people share this perception.

One is saying 'you must accept my view of myself even if it breaks your brain and if you don't I'll scream and scream and scream and scream until I'm sick will write reams of self-obsessed melodramatic screed, liken you all to Nazis and be mean anyone trans who disrupts my narrative'.

The other is saying, 'I do not expect you to deny the evidence of your own eyes'.

Massive difference.

I have wasted too much time today and have loads to be getting on with. I don't even have time to check out middle aisles for chainsaws, cut-price KCs or n'duja.

trans people who are willing to sacrifice their dignity

Now, now after all the bluster, it falls into place. Speaking honestly and asking for facts is "sacrificing dignity".

butters view of dignity can only be achieved through pretence, through denial of the true self. A facade, a presentation.

Because the reality is something you've been conditioned to believe is unpalatable. Or perhaps it really is that ugly homophobia and bigotry you deny, deny, deny while showing it clearly.

I'm actually sad for people who have grown up like this.

If you can't see that being a woman means at times being "undignified" then you really haven't got it.

A Bosch AMW 10. Had it for a few years. Good luck.