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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This year's pride month

248 replies

maybeuptight · 26/05/2025 20:36

Just wondering if anyone thinks it might be different this year?

Last year it felt like you couldn't leave the house in June without encountering rainbow "Love is Love" posters, Tesco sold drag garden gnomes, and bacon lettuce tomato sandwiches turned into LGBT sandwiches in my local shop.

This year some local pride events have reported inadequate funding, and Stonewall have said they are in financial difficulties. But the Supreme Court ruling has also prompted lots of protests, so maybe people will feel motivated to get involved?

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Squirrelsnut · 04/06/2025 11:05

I was not happy to see Pride bunting across my school's main building today. Full alphabet. There are 8 year olds in there.

Enough4me · 04/06/2025 11:34

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 10:54

This is absolute nonsense.

I have plenty of objections about the corporatisation and commercialisation of pride. But it is simply incorrect to say that lesbian, gay and bi people are pushed out of pride.

What you might mean is that the very small minority of LGB people who are anti-trans are pushed out. That's not the same thing though.

It would be a bit like saying Christians are excluded despite lots of Christians participating, and the only Christians being excluded being the ones who are anti LGBT+.

You mean the lesbians who object to men in dresses who wave placards telling them to "do dicks", or gay men who are looking for men not women pretending to be men?
They are not anti anything but pro-reality as biology is real!

Datun · 04/06/2025 11:41

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 11:00

It is perfectly obvious that that post from Stroud Pride was referring to trans exclusionary views.

Quite right that organisations or viewpoints of the likes of the LGB Alliance should be banned. They are anathema of what Pride is about.

Of course those with trans exclusionary views are welcome to their own pride events. Though I think they've tried that and they were all flops. Almost like the vast majority of lesbians, gays and bi people actually want their pride events to be trans inclusive.

I will never stop snorting about an ideology that says lesbian gay and bisexual people aren't welcome at pride.

zenae · 04/06/2025 11:42

One afternoon would be enough surely.

Straight people need their own Pride Month now to reclaim their own reality that has been hijacked and dismissed by T. If TQ etc. had no part in Pride month I'd be happy, and going back to Gay Pride would be great. But it's not that anymore is it?

I run a mile from all that shit.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:24

Enough4me · 04/06/2025 11:34

You mean the lesbians who object to men in dresses who wave placards telling them to "do dicks", or gay men who are looking for men not women pretending to be men?
They are not anti anything but pro-reality as biology is real!

Once more for people at the back - people can choose whichever sexual partners for whichever reasons they want.

What they can't do is expect to adopt explicitly hostile and exclusionary positions about part of a community, and then object when they are not welcome within that community.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:27

Datun · 04/06/2025 11:41

I will never stop snorting about an ideology that says lesbian gay and bisexual people aren't welcome at pride.

Amidst all that snorting, I suppose it is difficult to recognise that the situation you are snorting at isn't actually the reality?

The vast majority of lesbian, gay and bi people are welcome at Pride.

Those who want to exclude a part of the LGBT+ community are not. They are free to do their own thing, but keep whining because when they tried it was a flop - because for all their complaining, most LGB people don't want to exclude our trans friends from our community.

CassOle · 04/06/2025 12:32

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:24

Once more for people at the back - people can choose whichever sexual partners for whichever reasons they want.

What they can't do is expect to adopt explicitly hostile and exclusionary positions about part of a community, and then object when they are not welcome within that community.

Tell that to the people who called lesbians 'Sexual racists' if they won't sleep with Transwomen, the people who said that girldick has a different 'mouth feel' and the 'overcoming the cotton ceiling workshop'.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:38

CassOle · 04/06/2025 12:32

Tell that to the people who called lesbians 'Sexual racists' if they won't sleep with Transwomen, the people who said that girldick has a different 'mouth feel' and the 'overcoming the cotton ceiling workshop'.

How about I just tell it to the people on here who are falsely claiming that people are excluded from pride simply for being LGB or because of their personal choices of sexual partners.

That's absolute nonsense.

The only people excluded from pride are those who want to exclude a part of the community that pride is advocating for. Don't try to pretend its some great injustice that people who are hostile to a part of the LGBT+ community are not welcome.

BiologicalRobot · 04/06/2025 12:44

I noticed Aldi had a rainbow coloured beach ball and a rainbow coloured rubber duck... both aimed at children. They also had a Pride tote bag so it wasn't just about "pretty" colours.

https://www.aldi.co.uk/special-buys/2025-06-01

On Sale Date

https://www.aldi.co.uk/special-buys/2025-06-01

CassOle · 04/06/2025 12:51

Are you downplaying/sidestepping what Nancy Kelley said while she was at Stonewall? Are you really asserting that her words would not have made people feel unwelcome or excluded?

Remember, those words were 'sexual racist'. This is not a benign phrase.

LarkspurLane · 04/06/2025 12:51

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:38

How about I just tell it to the people on here who are falsely claiming that people are excluded from pride simply for being LGB or because of their personal choices of sexual partners.

That's absolute nonsense.

The only people excluded from pride are those who want to exclude a part of the community that pride is advocating for. Don't try to pretend its some great injustice that people who are hostile to a part of the LGBT+ community are not welcome.

I think you've made it fairly clear, that despite the Supreme Court ruling, Pride are continuing to believe that men can be women.
I will be dodging Pride until those ideas are updated.
I would be happy to see all kinds of people at Pride, different sexual orientations and people dressing and expressing themselves how they want.
But I don't believe that people can change sex.

Brefugee · 04/06/2025 12:51

sanluca · 27/05/2025 07:09

How is relabeling blt sandwiches as lgbt sandwiches helping acceptance of gay people? Isn't that what Pride was for: out and proud and improving acceptance?

Now it is all about showing any fetish you can in public and knowing nobody can stop you. This behaviour is actively hurting acceptance as it is time and time again linking fetish with gay in the minds of people and it really needs to stop.

tbh i think it has the opposite of the desired effect. I'm more likely not to take a sandwich with the progress pride flag, but if there is a choice i will always pick the regular rainbow flag. Every time.

I often use a rainbow flag in my online profiles etc, if the T+ want to think I'm including them, that's up to them.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:53

LarkspurLane · 04/06/2025 12:51

I think you've made it fairly clear, that despite the Supreme Court ruling, Pride are continuing to believe that men can be women.
I will be dodging Pride until those ideas are updated.
I would be happy to see all kinds of people at Pride, different sexual orientations and people dressing and expressing themselves how they want.
But I don't believe that people can change sex.

Yes, of course pride is still trans inclusive. And as I say, those who are not are absolutely welcome to give it a miss.

RareMaker · 04/06/2025 12:53

Pride still has a big event in our city.

MoltenLasagne · 04/06/2025 12:54

I don't really care about rainbow products in shops - I thought it was cynical cashing in on a trend but hardly a problem. It is notable how reduced it is this year though.

At work there have been as many communications around June being Carers Month as Pride Month which I find very interesting.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:55

CassOle · 04/06/2025 12:51

Are you downplaying/sidestepping what Nancy Kelley said while she was at Stonewall? Are you really asserting that her words would not have made people feel unwelcome or excluded?

Remember, those words were 'sexual racist'. This is not a benign phrase.

Except this isn't about Nancy Kelley or what she said. Nancy Kelley doesn't decide who is welcome at Pride. The poster who claimed that people were excluded from pride for being lesbian, gay or bisexual was simply lying.

The only exclusions from pride have been people who are actively seeking to exclude trans people from Pride and from the LGBT+ community.

Brefugee · 04/06/2025 12:59

It is perfectly obvious that that post from Stroud Pride was referring to trans exclusionary views.

but Trans views are homophobic. And if you don't understand that, you need to get out/read more

I am very happy for there to be LGB pride events. TRAs need to set up their own event (not called Pride, that is already taken) and have TQ+ events. Separately. Far far away from homosexual and bisexual people. And of course, gays and lesbians who don't mind joining TQ+ events should feel free to attend. But the colonisation of Pride events by the TQ+ has put a LOT of people supporting anything at all. Well done them.

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 13:02

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Brefugee · 04/06/2025 13:04

you can reword your bilge @PlanetJanette and take out the personal attack, and i will ask MN not to delete it after all.

You clearly have zero understanding of what we are talking about. The first post on this thread has the evidence that the TQ+ are excluding people from their oh-so-inclusive event.

You clearly haven't been keeping up. Be better.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 04/06/2025 13:05

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:38

How about I just tell it to the people on here who are falsely claiming that people are excluded from pride simply for being LGB or because of their personal choices of sexual partners.

That's absolute nonsense.

The only people excluded from pride are those who want to exclude a part of the community that pride is advocating for. Don't try to pretend its some great injustice that people who are hostile to a part of the LGBT+ community are not welcome.

I can’t imagine why people who are told they are bigoted, transphobic and akin to Nazis just for being same sex attracted would possibly feel unwelcome.

Enough4me · 04/06/2025 13:05

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:24

Once more for people at the back - people can choose whichever sexual partners for whichever reasons they want.

What they can't do is expect to adopt explicitly hostile and exclusionary positions about part of a community, and then object when they are not welcome within that community.

Again, for the person choosing not to hear.
That's exactly what people who are homosexual and heterosexual want to do. Be free to follow their choices.
Men and women pretending to be the opposite sex are asking people to validate them as they sex they are not and to be intimate with a body they would not choose.

Datun · 04/06/2025 13:06

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:27

Amidst all that snorting, I suppose it is difficult to recognise that the situation you are snorting at isn't actually the reality?

The vast majority of lesbian, gay and bi people are welcome at Pride.

Those who want to exclude a part of the LGBT+ community are not. They are free to do their own thing, but keep whining because when they tried it was a flop - because for all their complaining, most LGB people don't want to exclude our trans friends from our community.

Your whip is going to wear out if you keep flogging that dead horse.

Straight men targeting lesbians have nothing to do with pride.

The fact that they've infiltrated it and are trying to eject gay people doesn't alter the reality

Datun · 04/06/2025 13:08

Hey PlanetJanette

what's a lesbian?

AudHvamm · 04/06/2025 13:09

PlanetJanette · 04/06/2025 12:53

Yes, of course pride is still trans inclusive. And as I say, those who are not are absolutely welcome to give it a miss.

Why though? It's a genuine question - I don't understand what transgenderism has to do with homosexuality or bisexuality?

JazzyJelly · 04/06/2025 13:25

It's fine, Janette has explained it all, lesbians are allowed at pride as long as they pretend there's no difference between them and heterosexual men in dresses. They're even allowed to not want to shag these men! So progressive!

Very 'don't ask, don't tell' isn't it?