This year's pride month

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Just wondering if anyone thinks it might be different this year?

Last year it felt like you couldn't leave the house in June without encountering rainbow "Love is Love" posters, Tesco sold drag garden gnomes, and bacon lettuce tomato sandwiches turned into LGBT sandwiches in my local shop.

This year some local pride events have reported inadequate funding, and Stonewall have said they are in financial difficulties. But the Supreme Court ruling has also prompted lots of protests, so maybe people will feel motivated to get involved?

They are severing ties because Barclays is obeying the law and is this is not acceptable to their TRA community.

I doubt Barclays put any pressure on Pride or objected to their politics. In fact I'm sure Barclays would have been happy to continue sponsoring while also obeying the law. I doubt they would have continued to sponsor if Pride made breaking the law a prerequisite, but I also doubt that in the event that was a choice they were given.

So while it's true to say this is Pride's choice rather than Barclay's, I'm not sure that is the win Janette seems to think.

It's because Pride has become more about overt political signalling than anything else...and corporate sponsors are sensitive to that. When the political tide turns, the corporate instinct is to distance itself and go along with new common consensus.

And yet this is exactly what TRAs are doing and you are supporting them in their position.

The levels of hubris are off the scale.

yes, pride threw all their toys out of the pram because Barclays won't break the law as pride want them to, and nobody is going to step into the poisoned breach

It is a problem all of the TRAs making.

There are very few companies that supported gay rights when most of it was against the law (Absolut Vodka being one of the few). They have only supported Pride recently because it was a safe thing to do and virtue signalling in the hope of getting younger custom.

Since trans rights has become controversial a lot of companies are now trying to get out of Pride because it is now damaging to the companies.

When gay people really needed the support the corporations weren't there, it was always corporate virtue signalling/pinkwashing etc.

I don't think London has the Pride flags up yet (happy to be corrected) and that made me laugh because Mayor Khan hasn't made the place any better for gay people.

that's a good point

I’ve seen John Lewis, Tesco and Argos apps on my phone all have the rainbow colours but with the unwanted extra bit too. Having said that I remember years ago getting an Argos catalogue and it had the Pride flag and I was a bit meh because I felt it was the first start of corporate stuff and for that reason only, long before the TQ+ tsunami.
long time Pride attendee here too, thought last year we (all women group) just celebrated in a restaurant close by rather than all joining the march)
I see Liverpool Pride has been cancelled (something to do with Barclays, toilets I guess) but there’s definitely a creeping reticence to be associated and I feel the next five years will see major financial issues for Pride events.

Thank you! I was going to respond as it was bugging me. I think someone has been adding together results and not realising that you can't do that if it separate questions. I would imagine that most of that 28% are already in the 50% so we're being included twice.

This is just a lie. I have never said that a woman who would only ever consider dating another cisgender woman is not a lesbian.

There is no such thing as cisgender that is just another bollocks label that you and TRAs put on other people without their consent or agreement. Stop it, you do not have the right to force your ideology on on others.

I wonder if the association of a lot of Pride groups with Palestinian stuff might also be a turn off for many of the corporate sponsors? Whether or not they are sympathetic it's not the kind of controversy any business wants to come down on one side of.

Pride has probably become too big and expensive anyway. It's out of proportion compared to a lot of other festivals.

I watched the ‘This isn’t working’ podcast recently when Tanya went to the Stonewall conference. She highlighted how TW, Bobbi Pickard from Trans in the City openly dissed Barclays Bank at the conference. It seemed a really unprofessional thing to do at a conference full of representatives from big business.

Welcome to the meaningless omnicause virtue signalling which is turning off vast sections of the public through its sheer batshittery.

Its not commercially lucrative.

I’m relatively new to my company so don’t know what they did last year but I notice the Pride flag they’re using doesn’t have the baby pink/blue or brown and black bits - it looks like the old style pride flag.

Yes, I'm not sure that has helped.

100% this.

An example of the Omnicause which I found hilarious.

Yesterday Cymru Queers for Palestine stopped the Pride march in Cardiff.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/protesters-block-pride-parade-through-31905453?int_source=nba

The omnicause is such a good description.
I walked past an independent book shop in London recently and I nearly went in - then I saw a sign outside that said something like 'free Palestine, trans rights, immigrants welcome' and I just rolled my eyes and kept walking. Wish I'd take a picture.

This year, in the 40th year of Pride events in Cardiff, the march was led by some of those who were there in 1985 (here you can read two of the stories from people there on that day), joined by members of the trans community, protesting a retrenchment of their rights following the recent Supreme Court decision.

Not a single flag in my local Tesco.

It's been pointed out umpteen times before, but do none of these omnicausers know anything at all about the near total absence of gay rights in the Middle East? You can hardly have a clearer example of how complicated life is than Israel being the only state in the Middle East where same-sex relationships are legal and LGB people have some legal protections from adverse discrimination on grounds of their sexual orientation.

Well, quite.

Plus, what a spiffing idea to mount a protest that inconveniences your own ruddy side.

Though I do realise that they thought the media would be there in force, because Pride, and might give them some coverage. Wales Online obliged - the BBC, surprisingly, did not, as far as I can see.

Whitbread own Premier Inns as far as I know and it was flag central this month. Plus lanyards. They can’t clean the rooms properly or replace ripped seat coverings in their restaurants but it’s ok, the virtue signaling is strong.