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Datun · 30/05/2025 12:13

I still maintain it's a massive mistake to go out of your way to criticise a woman who gets published in a national newspaper 🤣

This issue is topical. Amusing, clever, interesting and adversarial articles are popular and Jolyon Maugham is already a figure of fun as far as the press is concerned.

For a man who has no ammo, it's not the smartest thing to come out shooting.

I don't know if it's specific to JM, but some men have clearly never ever had to market themselves.

They just think it happens. Until it doesn't, of course.

MarieDeGournay · 30/05/2025 12:41

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 28/05/2025 09:02

I had a response and it's worse than expected. Doesn't mention women at all.

Here it is. If anyone can think of a good reply I'd be glad because I'm too cross to think straight.

"Thank you very much for writing to me to share your concerns about the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Everyone should have the freedom to live their life as the person they are, secure in the knowledge that their fundamental rights will be protected. That is a fundamental value of the Liberal Democrats and it is one I hold very dear. I respect and will always stand up for the rights of all LGBTQ+ people.

I am really concerned that many trans and non-binary people in our country are feeling worried, fearful or uncertain after the ruling, and questioning whether they will be able to enjoy the same rights as their peers.

We absolutely must remember that this situation is not about political hypotheticals - this is about real people who are now worried, uncertain and frightened as they go about their day-to-day lives.

For too long, trans people have been targeted by divisive culture wars. Hate crimes recorded against trans people have more than doubled in the last five years. This is on top of the deeply entrenched structural inequalities that trans people still face in many aspects of life.

Many questions remain about the ruling’s practical implications and my colleagues and I are pushing the government to provide clarity - with new legislation if necessary - to ensure that everyone’s rights are protected. This must include ensuring the trans community feels safe. My colleague Christine Jardine, who is the Liberal Democrat Women and Equalities spokesperson has written to the minister asking for a meeting to discuss this.

It is vital that this judgement is not used to further divisive culture wars or to justify rolling back anyone’s rights. I and my colleagues in the Liberal Democrats will oppose any attempt to do this. As you may have seen, the Liberal Democrats’ reaffirmed our commitment to tackling these issues and supporting LGBTQ+ rights at our Spring Conference this year. You can read more about our updated policy here:

https://www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/free-to-be-who-you-are

The way in which some politicians and parts of the media have stoked up this toxic and hostile debate around the rights of trans people is unacceptable. We need to get past that and finally have a positive and genuine good-faith conversation about ensuring everyone’s safety and dignity."

Edited

These people are so predictable! Any one of us here could have written that reply, placed it in a sealed envelope, and given it to you to open and compare with the actual 'reply' when you received it - identical!

I believe in short snappy letters to public officials, a long letter will probably not be read at all. At least you can get a bit of their attention with a few pithy sentences.

I'd reply with something like.

Thank you for your letter which sets out in great detail your commitment to the safety and dignity of transgender people.

My letter was about the safety and dignity of women, who you don't mention at all in your reply - did you mistakenly send out the wrong letter by any chance?
😏

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/05/2025 13:04

MarieDeGournay · 30/05/2025 12:41

These people are so predictable! Any one of us here could have written that reply, placed it in a sealed envelope, and given it to you to open and compare with the actual 'reply' when you received it - identical!

I believe in short snappy letters to public officials, a long letter will probably not be read at all. At least you can get a bit of their attention with a few pithy sentences.

I'd reply with something like.

Thank you for your letter which sets out in great detail your commitment to the safety and dignity of transgender people.

My letter was about the safety and dignity of women, who you don't mention at all in your reply - did you mistakenly send out the wrong letter by any chance?
😏

Edited

Thank you, that's great. Very concise which I appreciate enormously.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/05/2025 14:10

This is what I've sent, let's see what the reply is, if any.

Thank you for your letter which sets out in great detail your commitment to the safety and dignity of transgender people.

My letter was about the safety and dignity of women, who you don't mention at all in your reply, nor do you say whether or not you will abide by the Supreme Court's clarification of the law - did you mistakenly send out the wrong letter by any chance?

teawamutu · 30/05/2025 15:45

MarieDeGournay · 30/05/2025 12:41

These people are so predictable! Any one of us here could have written that reply, placed it in a sealed envelope, and given it to you to open and compare with the actual 'reply' when you received it - identical!

I believe in short snappy letters to public officials, a long letter will probably not be read at all. At least you can get a bit of their attention with a few pithy sentences.

I'd reply with something like.

Thank you for your letter which sets out in great detail your commitment to the safety and dignity of transgender people.

My letter was about the safety and dignity of women, who you don't mention at all in your reply - did you mistakenly send out the wrong letter by any chance?
😏

Edited

Lovely. I do like a bit of pass-agg when called for (and this twatbadger definitely deserved it).

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 30/05/2025 22:45

Whilst we’re on politicians, Alex Sobel is ranting his usual rubbish about trans rights. There’s a couple of ladies doing a great job replying to TRAs on his latest fb post, I’d be surprised if they’re not on here.

moto748e · 30/05/2025 23:05

Oh he's awful, isn't he? One of the worst (in a tight field).

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 31/05/2025 11:35

He really is. He just repeats the TRA mantras and ignores any questioning of it

SerafinasGoose · 02/06/2025 13:22

I'm having a shit week and am premenstrual, but that emailed response actually make me cry. Whether they were tears of sadness, or of rage and frustration, I'm not entirely sure. All that compassion, all that courtesy and consideration, for males larping as women. As for actual women? Well, no one gives a shiny shit about real female angst; nor ever, ever asks: 'but what about the women?'

Women are painted as aggressors and don't receive one iota of sympathy. No one cares if we are intimidated. No one cares that we are the demographic most at risk from male-bodied people, that we are murdered by said male-bodied people at the tune of 2-3 women a week, because of our sex; that we are paid less, valued less, picked off and harrassed in the street: because of our sex; that we are told to sit down and shut up, and to stay silent about the instruments of our abuse and oppression (men): because of our sex. We just need to be kind to the males masquerading in our changing rooms with hard-ons and who, backed up by this toxic ideology, suggest that any little girls scared or intimidated by the fact simply shouldn't be looking.

Adherents to this groteseque ideology never fail to remind women on a more or less daily basis that we are considered lesser humans. As for the women who internalise that misogyny and then turn it against other women, there are no words that can adequately express the depth of my contempt and disgust.

As they say in Scotland, 'get tae fuck'.

Haulage · 02/06/2025 17:11

Hear hear @SerafinasGoose. It seems to me that there’s a constant barrage of daily news stories about women who’ve been abused/ raped/ murdered by men and politicians like the one above will wring their hands about how terrible it is and yet at the same time state that any woman having any boundaries around any men are awful, bigoted, unkind harpies. It’s so shit to be told again and again that us service class humans should just put up and shut up, and smile while we’re doing it.

Also, institutions like the BBC wanging on about the sadness of the men while a few months ago they were running ads telling us all the BBC belongs to all of us and Clive Myrie claiming it was a bastion of truth etc. Hollow fucking laughs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/bbc-news-trust-is-earned

The Fight For Truth is on: BBC pulls back the curtain on the fight against disinformation

Narrated by Clive Myrie and featuring a number of well-known journalists, the BBC releases short film that illustrates their fight against disinformation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/bbc-news-trust-is-earned

TangenitalContrivences · 02/06/2025 17:17

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 24/05/2025 07:15

Has anyone posted this thread onto his?

I am late to the party thanks so much! I am looking at the legal side now having got nowhere with the school, would I fit in the criteria? It is for my daughter not me I suppose? (and allotter girls, to be honest and boys! at the school!)

murasaki · 02/06/2025 17:20

TangenitalContrivences · 02/06/2025 17:17

I am late to the party thanks so much! I am looking at the legal side now having got nowhere with the school, would I fit in the criteria? It is for my daughter not me I suppose? (and allotter girls, to be honest and boys! at the school!)

No harm in applying.

SwordOfOmens · 02/06/2025 18:46

I wonder if I'd be eligible with my pagan complaints

ThatCyanCat · 02/06/2025 19:35

SwordOfOmens · 02/06/2025 18:46

I wonder if I'd be eligible with my pagan complaints

Go through the form and see. I think you have to have lawyers instructed already but it's all laid out. It may not cost too much to have a solicitor go through the application with you.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/06/2025 20:56

The only certain way to not get any assistance from this wonderful offer of support is to self-exclude by deciding that you would not be eligible.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2025 21:23

I so hope that there are some challenges to schools in this pipeline. Getting this shit out of schools and away from children - girls and boys - must be a priority.

TheOtherRaven · 02/06/2025 21:33

Haulage · 02/06/2025 17:11

Hear hear @SerafinasGoose. It seems to me that there’s a constant barrage of daily news stories about women who’ve been abused/ raped/ murdered by men and politicians like the one above will wring their hands about how terrible it is and yet at the same time state that any woman having any boundaries around any men are awful, bigoted, unkind harpies. It’s so shit to be told again and again that us service class humans should just put up and shut up, and smile while we’re doing it.

Also, institutions like the BBC wanging on about the sadness of the men while a few months ago they were running ads telling us all the BBC belongs to all of us and Clive Myrie claiming it was a bastion of truth etc. Hollow fucking laughs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/bbc-news-trust-is-earned

This exactly.

When you've spent years informing Joe Public that any woman refusing to undress for any random man demanding she pretend what he says he wants in that moment is not only a bigot (read: subhuman who can and should be dismissed in political speak), but should suffer criminal consequences, it's a bit dim to be surprised that any respect for women and girls' rights and bodily safety has plummeted. Modelling of open disrespect for women and enablement and tolerance of men standing in the street calling for their rape and execution has helped along the plummeting no end. Performative handwringing in this context is about as contemptible as Gordon Brown's claim to be down with the yoof by loving Arctic Monkeys songs.

And no, I don't have the heart to unpack 'dim'; my disillusionment with so many people in positions of responsibility is now too deep.

SwordOfOmens · 03/06/2025 12:14

JanesLittleGirl · 02/06/2025 20:56

The only certain way to not get any assistance from this wonderful offer of support is to self-exclude by deciding that you would not be eligible.

Yes indeed, I really hope it doesn't come to that though.

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