India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

I've subscribed to the Times for years. When they took anonymity away, I stopped posting but joined the people who still vote on comments.
There can be a few posters saying things along the lines of, "be kind", "bigot" and that kind of nonsense - they never have a reasonable explanation of why men need access to women's facilities. Funny that!

What the flying money with the unmemorable name said is so gaslighting, so close to the truth yet do dishonest.

Take a breath, poster, read again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by claiming that the same oppression that was used against us actually applies to those who oppress us. You re-apply that oppression upon us for them.

Ah, I wondered where Morag MacGonagall went after we were told to change our names to ‘real’ ones [I notice there are still a lot of suspect names, regardless]. Am enjoying the comments. Sandra Duffy is desperately trying to argue that women wanting women’s only spaces are vile bigots, but getting short thrift from pretty much every one.

Magnoliasunrise · Today 08:11

That's kind of the point, they have documented their own vileness, with images and messages.

And blinking autocarrot...

transcrime.co.uk

... not transcribe!

It’s called a Croydon facelift, pulls your eyes back too. Looks like that’s what he’s had done.

Now I understand why 1MnaAthCliath posted a (quickly deleted by the mods) thread with a cartoon trying to show how awful JKR is. I think your 'don't give a fuck' memes must have hit a nerve. Germaine Greer was onto something when she replied 'I don't care' in that rather infamous interview where she was given the 'be kind' line by the interviewer. I think that sometimes, 'I don't care/don't give a fuck' is the correct reply.

Hello Woman from Dublin.

Are you actually a woman? Or are you a Fear? Interesting you used Mna.

Mna= woman in Irish
atha Cliath = Dublin
Fear = man

Did you come on here to berate the good women on here who stand up for women’s rights, similar to how you attack J K Rowling? Failing miserable I might add.

Of course you will not be able to back up your claim that trans are the most oppressed.

You can tell us you choose to see India as a woman, but we all know he is a man and you do too. So your choice is a lie.

Are trans people currently very much oppressed?
I know that's the rhetoric, but in the UK is that true?
Full rights against discrimination, access to employment, housing etc.

Apart from not having access to opposite sex spaces, and no free access to whatever drugs they want (neither of which anyone else gets), what do they miss?

TW in particular seem if anything to be overrepresented in the media, and overly considered in the work place.

Totally agree, how can anyone give that level of vileness any serious consideration or justification?

Magnoliasunrise · Today 11:59

Ach, sorry! I thought you were having a misplaced go at me...

The trans umbrella has a very diverse group sitting beneath it, so I think it’s difficult to present a single picture of what it is like to be trans in the Uk.

Leaving aside the external world, the internal world of trans people is often hard to navigate. Many are fixated on their bodies and their identity and rarely experience reprieve from ruminating on this. Many feel shame and dread about how others perceive them.

Non passing trans people do, I think, have a tough time navigating the external world. They know that those who affirm their identities do it out of kindness, and they know that even these people don’t understand their experiences. This typically results in feeling isolated. Interactions with people who don’t affirm their personalities range from benign to hostile and aggressive. All of which tend to experienced as distressing.

None of the above provide a basis for requiring people to refer to males as females nor to permit some males to use female only provision, but I do think that it is tough to be trans identifying in the Uk.

@Brainworm Thank you. I don't think however what you describe is mostly oppression, it is internal upset at not being / being perceived as who they want to be. That may well be mentally distressing but that isn't the same thing.

I agree that it isn’t oppression, and little of what I described is discrimination, with the exception of hostility where this tips into aggression.

I think the lack of acceptance that people with trans identities experience (both internally and externally) is essentially that of not being regarded as being the sex they want to be but are not. I do not think that there is widespread lack of acceptance that they deserve dignity, respect alongside all humans. By positioning dignity and respect as only being afforded/delivered through accepting them as being their desired sex, they are creating the problem - in both the internal and external world.

This is what makes me most angry about TRAs - they are causing the harm and the damage. They should be promoting resilience and letting trans people know that their wellbeing is not dependent on external validation. They should be promoting trans acceptance through ‘live and let live’ attitudes to gender expression and fighting for equality in health, housing and employment outcomes. They should not be trying to dismantle sex based rights and trying to position people who will never view a male as a being female as the problem.

I would describe the state of mind as "pitiable" right up to the point at which I am coerced and threatened to try to force me to tell lies in support of someone else's clearly implausible fantasy. At that point I cease to pity and become annoyed.

"they know that even these people don’t understand their experiences."

But no human being fully understands the experience of any other human being! Without actual telepathy, which as far as I know has not yet been found to exist, to expect another person fully to understand you is an absurd and unrealistic expectation: they have not and cannot share your entire experience. It is never going to happen.

And this is common to every single human being alive; it's not unique to transgender ones.

Many thanks for the share token. This was the third most read digital article this morning according to Times Radio, so getting plenty of attention!

Nope - still MRA!

The mad thing about the fox-botherer is that he doesn't realise his wife was (allegedly) challenged in the gym as a direct result of trans ideology. Back in the "good old days", a womany looking person with no breasts in the women's changing room would have been recognised as exactly that. No difficulties. Nowadays, what are staff to think? "Looks like a woman, but no breasts, yikes, could this be a man? Better ask."

They don't pass. Women can spot men and there isn't a final point where transition worked.
They will have constant turmoil as they need mental health support to get through dysphoria. It's kinder to be honest and manage expectations than to lie to them.

So he's suggesting the SC judges were bought? Isn't that libel?

Only if people believe it I guess.

Enough4me
They don't pass. Women can spot men

Well, there was one who had passed as far as I was concerned (not that I cared what sex the partner of a friend of my husband's might be, so I wasn't exactly looking much) right up until the point that he first picked a quarrel with me in my own house and then started to give me The Script, culminating in accusing me of having said all trans women are rapists. But he'd done very well until then.

Yes, it's all our fault. There can be no fault for the men who think they're women. We must all move aside for them.

I am sure that there are men who have had extensive plastic surgery and hair transplants, and taken oestregen to look more like women, that I would not clock. Doesn't mean they're women.

There must have been physical signs to indicate it to you. Picking fights and talking TRA shite alone don't prove someone is a man.