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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 26/05/2025 19:23

I promise you, I wasn't interested enough to be bothering to notice the sex of someone who was nothing much to do with me: I'm not into table-top games as a hobby so I wasn't particularly involved. The first I knew of it was when he told me that I probably hadn't realised he was trans. My mistake was saying I didn't see why it mattered, because they were simply a person in my house and what sex made no nevermind; this was obviously intolerable provocation.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/05/2025 19:31

You failed to pander to the ego @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 26/05/2025 19:36

I know. Bad Asking; no asking-biscuit.

LittleBitofBread · 26/05/2025 19:38

You also committed the cardinal sin of using the word sex and not gender.

I very much hope you threw him out of your house for picking a fight and being aggressive to you.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 26/05/2025 20:14

Not my guest for me to throw out, and DH hadn't witnessed it. I explained afterwards what had happened and that particular person is not welcome here any more; my DH agreed this had been poor behaviour of which he did not approve, and made that clear to both of them.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 27/05/2025 08:58

Brainworm · 26/05/2025 13:44

The trans umbrella has a very diverse group sitting beneath it, so I think it’s difficult to present a single picture of what it is like to be trans in the Uk.

Leaving aside the external world, the internal world of trans people is often hard to navigate. Many are fixated on their bodies and their identity and rarely experience reprieve from ruminating on this. Many feel shame and dread about how others perceive them.

Non passing trans people do, I think, have a tough time navigating the external world. They know that those who affirm their identities do it out of kindness, and they know that even these people don’t understand their experiences. This typically results in feeling isolated. Interactions with people who don’t affirm their personalities range from benign to hostile and aggressive. All of which tend to experienced as distressing.

None of the above provide a basis for requiring people to refer to males as females nor to permit some males to use female only provision, but I do think that it is tough to be trans identifying in the Uk.

But everything you describe is a description of mental health issues. Surely, like all mental health issues they need to to seek appropriate professional treatment to help them navigate their internal battles rather than rely on everyone to just go with their internal flow

Brainworm · 27/05/2025 09:08

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 27/05/2025 08:58

But everything you describe is a description of mental health issues. Surely, like all mental health issues they need to to seek appropriate professional treatment to help them navigate their internal battles rather than rely on everyone to just go with their internal flow

People who experience distress and think that gender is the root cause should receive effective treatment. People who are not distressed or disturbed (typically those who fit the labels ‘odd’, ‘quirky’, different) don’t.

Single sex provision should be accessed by only those who are the sex the provision is designed for.

Nobody should be forced (by law or by social norms) to pretend people aren’t the sex that they are.

Society should treat everyone the same, regardless of their sex, other than where sex matters. It was the failure to do this that led women being denied them basic freedoms - for centuries.

ThatCyanCat · 27/05/2025 09:19

I've had mental health treatments in the past when things happened, or came to light, that made me mentally unwell. There are various treatments available. Talking therapy, CBT, antidepressants, lifestyle changes and so on.

This appears to be the only situation whereby the treatment is not only to pretend that the distressing thing is not true, but to get society to reorganise itself around pretending it isn't true. I was never told that everyone else in the world had to affirm the situation that I dearly wished was true but sadly simply was not. The therapy and treatment were all based around helping me to make changes where possible, and cope and adapt where they were not.

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 09:30

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 27/05/2025 08:58

But everything you describe is a description of mental health issues. Surely, like all mental health issues they need to to seek appropriate professional treatment to help them navigate their internal battles rather than rely on everyone to just go with their internal flow

Everyone else can't go with someone else's internal flow.

Ultimately we all know the truth and we aren't mind readers about how someone might react to a tiny comment or slip of the tongue.

I was speaking to a transwoman the other day, and when they introduced themselves (in relation to someone else) the very first thing they did was slip up themselves using the male relationship rather than female one! Yet everyone else is supposed to skip along always using the male ones. It doesn't work.

Changing identity like this affects the identity of those closest to them because it affects how they relate to others (I find 'do you have a brother or a sister?' a really difficult question because people are looking for ways to relate to you. They are trying to understand you not learn about the life and personality of your relatives. It's about your identity not your siblings).

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