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India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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Dymaxion · 21/05/2025 20:40

the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

@1MnaAthCliath are you saying India is vulnerable because they are mentally unwell ? so imagining you are a different sex is a mental illness ? I honestly can't see what other claims to vulnerability India might have ?

MyNameIsX · 21/05/2025 20:44

Question: Was Jonathan, sorry ‘India’, born with a penis?

A simple yes/no will suffice.

BunfightBetty · 21/05/2025 20:45

Yes @1MnaAthCliath I’m also very interested in what the perceived vulnerability of this white middle class male relates to, in your opinion.

How do you think India is vulnerable?

You seem to think that JKR should keep shtumm while India hurls insult after insult at her. Why is that?

Harshreality · 21/05/2025 20:46

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:40

But that's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, in ways that no TRA has ever explained but always insisted on.

Herein lies the problem with accepting someone's own perception of identity. If sex can be chosen, so can race or even age. It's only a matter of time before some auld fella in their 80s uses his self identity as a 15 year old boy as a defence in court. You accept one wrong perception, you open the door to them all.

moto748e · 21/05/2025 20:52

Hasn't the time more than come when India should be ignored by everyone?

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:54

moto748e · 21/05/2025 20:52

Hasn't the time more than come when India should be ignored by everyone?

Absolutely not. The more that people like Jonathon "India" speak up and demand "rights", the more unhinged people realise they are.

MyNameIsX · 21/05/2025 20:58

Any relation to Holly?

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 21/05/2025 21:08

@1MnaAthCliath no. I am not going to refer to him as a woman. Because he is a man. I dare say Putin doesn't identify as a war criminal. And yet he still is one.

Trans people are no where near as oppressed as women. Not even close, historically or in the present.

Dymaxion · 21/05/2025 21:12

And if India does think the UK should follow Trump's lead when it comes to immigration then the whole the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent. comes across as just the teeniest bit hypocritical ?

countrysidedeficit · 21/05/2025 21:15

MyNameIsX · 21/05/2025 20:58

Any relation to Holly?

No it seems not.

According to this interview in 2015 where he genuinely laments that having a brain transplant wasn't available as an alternative to so-called gender reassignment surgery, he only has a son.

https://www.itv.com/lorraine/articles/itv-newsreader-jonathan-willoughby-on-becoming-a-woman

PunchUpInPoplar · 21/05/2025 21:19

India is a woman hater. It oozes from every pore.

Enough4me · 21/05/2025 21:22

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

You are a comedian- I love it!

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 21/05/2025 21:26

PunchUpInPoplar · 21/05/2025 21:19

India is a woman hater. It oozes from every pore.

This in a nutshell.

mintbru · 21/05/2025 21:46

Hmmm, lots of comments deleted, Jonathan must have a sore finger from reporting all the posts, he's really a very sad little man. So bitter and angry at women just because he will never be a woman, the harder he tries the more male his behaviour is.

Enough4me · 21/05/2025 23:31

akkakk · 21/05/2025 17:29

I think that he is referencing his journey from man to woman:

  • man
  • was then trans woman (trans)
  • now fully woman - therefore cis
i.e. stages...

that makes sense from his way of thinking - of course for everyone else it is batty / bonkers logic

Yep, bonkers. He wants to use language to show change but he's missing reality.
More appropriate language would be:

  • mentally stable
  • dysphoria
  • out grow dysphoria/ mental health support
  • mentally stable

I expect he wouldn't want to face the real language that represents his change.

Neemie · 22/05/2025 06:42

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

Some adults pretend they are children. That is a matter for them and I do feel a bit sorry for them, but pandering to someone’s fantasy doesn’t stretch to letting them join the local primary school so that they can feel more accepted. The protection of children is far more important.

The men who sexually assault have created a need for single sex spaces.Go and shame them and stop blaming women.

EasternStandard · 22/05/2025 09:12

Neemie · 22/05/2025 06:42

Some adults pretend they are children. That is a matter for them and I do feel a bit sorry for them, but pandering to someone’s fantasy doesn’t stretch to letting them join the local primary school so that they can feel more accepted. The protection of children is far more important.

The men who sexually assault have created a need for single sex spaces.Go and shame them and stop blaming women.

And a politician wouldn’t legislate for this so why on earth didn’t they consider women.

Or children for that matter, when it comes to gender ideology pushed it harms them too.

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:33

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:54

Absolutely not. The more that people like Jonathon "India" speak up and demand "rights", the more unhinged people realise they are.

Yes, he is doing the work for us!

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:41

It’s odd, but I am on FB for the pet posts and author/publishing feeds. No politics. But I seem to get lots of posts/ad with links to articles about JKR. Many of them have highly critical/censorious headlines about her. But when you click in (I can’t help myself) you see 500k views and 20k comments. And, well, I grit my teeth and scroll expecting the worst. Only, I would say 99% of them laud and celebrate JKR. They comment on the charities she supports/founded, they reference her original letter explaining her position. The other 1% are just people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

So, I don’t think she is a target of mockery of disapprobation at all. She seems to be a much admired figure of reason and common sense, at least amongst the 3billion monthly active users of Facebook.

PetaltotheMedal · 22/05/2025 09:55

people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

It's very noticable in some people's posts that they're quoting the same "bigot", "most oppressed" or whatever mantra they've been trained to use. They never seem to read posts with a view to conversing about them or, God forbid, learning from them. Which is sad but also so very telling. These people they're screaming for wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, unless it was part of their 'thing'.

JellySaurus · 22/05/2025 10:13

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:41

It’s odd, but I am on FB for the pet posts and author/publishing feeds. No politics. But I seem to get lots of posts/ad with links to articles about JKR. Many of them have highly critical/censorious headlines about her. But when you click in (I can’t help myself) you see 500k views and 20k comments. And, well, I grit my teeth and scroll expecting the worst. Only, I would say 99% of them laud and celebrate JKR. They comment on the charities she supports/founded, they reference her original letter explaining her position. The other 1% are just people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

So, I don’t think she is a target of mockery of disapprobation at all. She seems to be a much admired figure of reason and common sense, at least amongst the 3billion monthly active users of Facebook.

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The loudest, most extreme voices are heard, not the quiet, moderate majority. The quiet, moderate majority often don't realise that their view is both mainstream and reasonable, because the loud extremists threaten and frighten them into silence.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/05/2025 11:43

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:40

But that's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, in ways that no TRA has ever explained but always insisted on.

To be fair (though I hate doing it) if some of the USA continues to hold by the daffy "one drop rule" doctrine, anyone with any black ancestry at all has the right to think of him- or herself as black. Who's to say that Rachel Dolezal wasn't descended, via her white European ancestors, from a member of a Roman legion who was recruited in North Africa and then retired and married in one of the European countries? All his descendents would count as black, by that rule.

Her strange behaviour might have marginally more basis in her country's doctrines than that of a man asserting that he is a woman. Not that I think she ever thought of using that as the basis for her claim, but still.

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 12:13

countrysidedeficit · 21/05/2025 21:15

No it seems not.

According to this interview in 2015 where he genuinely laments that having a brain transplant wasn't available as an alternative to so-called gender reassignment surgery, he only has a son.

https://www.itv.com/lorraine/articles/itv-newsreader-jonathan-willoughby-on-becoming-a-woman

I think he may have watched the Steve Martin movie The Man With Two Brains, and thought the "cranial screw top method" was a real medical procedure.

teawamutu · 22/05/2025 12:27

Was 2010 the last time he had a proper job?

AnneUulmelmahay · 22/05/2025 14:32

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 12:13

I think he may have watched the Steve Martin movie The Man With Two Brains, and thought the "cranial screw top method" was a real medical procedure.

Yippee a chance to wheel out my Man With Two Brains name.😁