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India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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akkakk · 21/05/2025 17:29

WallaceinAnderland · 21/05/2025 17:18

India has also claimed to both trans and 'cis' (which means actual woman, as in born female) in his bio. I would say you can't make it up but...

I think that he is referencing his journey from man to woman:

  • man
  • was then trans woman (trans)
  • now fully woman - therefore cis
i.e. stages...

that makes sense from his way of thinking - of course for everyone else it is batty / bonkers logic

Mmmnotsure · 21/05/2025 17:31

"Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected."

What an amazing sentence. God knows where you got the first part alliteration from, but then straight into Messiah.

PocketSand · 21/05/2025 17:31

@TonTonMacouteyeah yeah, it’s not fair/yeah yeah it’s not fair/I’m so upset/I’m so upset/I’m so upset/yeah yeah/I ought to smash his face in (Jilted John)

uncanny isn’t it?

lechiffre55 · 21/05/2025 17:33

PocketSand · 21/05/2025 17:31

@TonTonMacouteyeah yeah, it’s not fair/yeah yeah it’s not fair/I’m so upset/I’m so upset/I’m so upset/yeah yeah/I ought to smash his face in (Jilted John)

uncanny isn’t it?

@TonTonMacoute Also I think Gordon Is A Moron probably fits quite nicely here, but with the name changed of course.

Mmmnotsure · 21/05/2025 17:36

DialSquare · 21/05/2025 15:25

JKR could have chosen a different path

Thank fuck she didn’t.

You do have to wonder where we would be at this point if she hadn't. It needed to be a woman, which for resources, independence, and ability to overcome social conditioning severely limits the field (thanks, patriarchy).

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/05/2025 17:38

WinterTrees · 21/05/2025 15:40

Wait, backtracking a bit (sorry if it's already been raised) but Willoughby claims to have been using women's toilets since he was 14??

Willoughby, who was a TV newsreader called Jonathan, who was married and fathered a son and didn't transition until (according to Wikipedia) he was 50 YEARS OLD, was using women's toilets for all that time? Have I got that right?

If so... WHAT. THE. FUCK?

IW, born 1965, claims he started using women's toilets at age 14, so in 1979 or so; sorry mate, I simply don't believe you. All that time ago you'd have been kindly but firmly given the bum's rush by every woman in the country who coincided with you in a women's public lavatory. And anyway, you don't seem to have decided you weren't a bloke until 2010 at the earliest. I definitely call bullshit on that claim.

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 17:43

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/05/2025 17:38

IW, born 1965, claims he started using women's toilets at age 14, so in 1979 or so; sorry mate, I simply don't believe you. All that time ago you'd have been kindly but firmly given the bum's rush by every woman in the country who coincided with you in a women's public lavatory. And anyway, you don't seem to have decided you weren't a bloke until 2010 at the earliest. I definitely call bullshit on that claim.

IW identifies being born in 1985 not 1965.

ThatCyanCat · 21/05/2025 17:49

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 17:43

IW identifies being born in 1985 not 1965.

Oh no, please don't let him try to become a millennial as well. We have enough problems.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/05/2025 17:56

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 17:43

IW identifies being born in 1985 not 1965.

I wonder how many times he has tried to alter the date in Wikipedia!

Datun · 21/05/2025 18:03

Memoryhole · 21/05/2025 16:57

i remember Willoughby on WH, years ago, when he opined that women should wear tights and shave their legs otherwise it was unhygienic. Jenny Murray informed him that women’s body hair had been a feminist issue for quite some time. He didn’t seem to take any notice.

Yes it went completely over his head.

I think it was about two women who worked at a hotel, the Dorchester maybe? Who were told they had to wear tights or shave their legs. Something like that.

And of course, women were up in arms. Hence being a topic on WH.

But Willoughby obviously started to opine from a position of total ignorance about women's issues. And said oh yes, it's not hygienic.

And I think Jenni Murray said well is it unhygienic when men don't shave their legs, in that case?

And he said something gobsmacking like, no of course not, because they're men.

The words 'the verry ideah' were silent.

It was him and some transvestite vicar who knew nothing about women in the clergy, and was only wondering what he should wear to the sermon, that peaked Jenni imo.

And her pushback to the BBC resulted in her leaving.

An absolute bloody disgrace. And they should be ashamed.

But I guess the 400 trans people who work at the BBC had all the power.

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 18:21

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 16:19

Women must not:

  1. have an opinion
  2. express views which men don't like
  3. point out a man having a mantrum
  4. behave in a way that could be perceived in any way as unbecoming
  5. after having been the subject of tonnes of abuse, respond in anything but polite tones.
  6. be anything less than virtue signalling saints. Merely doing good deeds and supporting multiple good causes is not good enough.
  7. eventually think fuck this shit I'm just going to have a laugh about this utter bullshit

God forbid a woman is a sentinent human being capable of individual thoughts.

Fucks sake. Women can't do jack shit without some dickhead lecturing them about how they are wrong.

So what's the point in even trying to live up to impossible standards?

JKRowling gives no fucks because she's reached an age where she realised this.

This is not 'punching down'. This is refusing to be punched down on anymore.

exactly the position of the TRANS people, thank you.

you see, there is a lot of common ground here. weird that so few see it. or maybe they do but are afraid to speak out.

moggly · 21/05/2025 18:22

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

Nonsense bullshit. The identity of "woman" is not available to him - because he is a man. So, no, he can't choose it.

SirChenjins · 21/05/2025 18:25

Who’s vulnerable exactly? I thought we were talking about Willoughby Confused

AliasGrace47 · 21/05/2025 18:33

How ladylike 😉

SirChenjins · 21/05/2025 18:46

Indeed 😉

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 18:46

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 18:21

exactly the position of the TRANS people, thank you.

you see, there is a lot of common ground here. weird that so few see it. or maybe they do but are afraid to speak out.

I see we have the full squad talking bollocks on the internet tonight.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/05/2025 18:51

I really wish @mnhq would specify why when they delete comments! I can’t be expected to not repeat the comment if I don’t know what the objection is. I stated that IW is a man and they’ve deleted it. Are we on a fact free forum now? Or is IW another RMW?

JasmineAllen · 21/05/2025 19:01

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/05/2025 17:38

IW, born 1965, claims he started using women's toilets at age 14, so in 1979 or so; sorry mate, I simply don't believe you. All that time ago you'd have been kindly but firmly given the bum's rush by every woman in the country who coincided with you in a women's public lavatory. And anyway, you don't seem to have decided you weren't a bloke until 2010 at the earliest. I definitely call bullshit on that claim.

That claim sounds like the sort of revisionist nonsense that people do to attempt to make themselves feel more legitimate when they know they aren't really legitimate.

See also Eddie Izzard and his 'I've been trans since 1991' or whatever bollocks date he came up with when everyone can clearly remember his 'there not women's clothes, they're my clothes' and how he described himself as a transvestite repeatedly. For example, in the Graun no less:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2010/nov/20/zoe-williams-eddie-izzard-saturday-interview

I don't understand why they think contradictory evidence has all disappeared from the Internet and living memories 😂

Eddie Izzard: straight but not linear

He's a transvestite, heterosexual standup comic and actor who ran 43 marathons in 51 days – as a new DVD documentary makes clear, Eddie Izzard's life has been far from predictable

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2010/nov/20/zoe-williams-eddie-izzard-saturday-interview

notatinydancer · 21/05/2025 19:15

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

No one should see him ‘as a woman’ because he’s a man. JKR is not ‘mocked , derided and rejected’ by any sane person.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/05/2025 19:23

JasmineAllen
That claim sounds like the sort of revisionist nonsense that people do to attempt to make themselves feel more legitimate when they know they aren't really legitimate.

To take the subject away from dubious males making dubious claims, I am somewhat reminded of Marianne Faithfull claiming at one point that she had "always been a punk".

SaltPorridge · 21/05/2025 19:44

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

You've misunderstood the point of agency wrt identity. Sex isn't a choice. It's a fundamental part of who you are. If you are a man and you tell people you are a woman then a whole heap of questions arise.

Your name is a choice: you can tell us your name is 1MnáAthaCliath and those of us who know will wonder if you are identifying as all the ladies loos in Dublin, as you don't actually represent the women of Dublin.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 21/05/2025 19:50

YRGAM · 21/05/2025 07:27

Definitely. This is quite a strong tell of 'male' thinking. Men constantly compare and rank themselves on scales of perceived manliness and it's often driven into you from an early age ( it required extensive therapy to get me to finally stop doing this to myself!)

What's the saying? "Oh to have the confidence of a mediocre man"

It's so true.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 21/05/2025 19:58

WinterTrees · 21/05/2025 15:40

Wait, backtracking a bit (sorry if it's already been raised) but Willoughby claims to have been using women's toilets since he was 14??

Willoughby, who was a TV newsreader called Jonathan, who was married and fathered a son and didn't transition until (according to Wikipedia) he was 50 YEARS OLD, was using women's toilets for all that time? Have I got that right?

If so... WHAT. THE. FUCK?

The delusions really know no bounds. Once certain people voice something, then in their minds it is true. They literally rewrite history. My ex is like that and it is absolutely 100% a mental health issue.

Harshreality · 21/05/2025 20:30

Who remembers the case of Rachel Dolezal? White woman married to a black man, living in a predominantly black community in the USA, mixed race kids. She identified as black and was absolutely vilified for it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong just stating what happened.
It's a screwy system when men can imagine their biology but women can't.

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:40

Harshreality · 21/05/2025 20:30

Who remembers the case of Rachel Dolezal? White woman married to a black man, living in a predominantly black community in the USA, mixed race kids. She identified as black and was absolutely vilified for it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong just stating what happened.
It's a screwy system when men can imagine their biology but women can't.

But that's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, in ways that no TRA has ever explained but always insisted on.