TW who supports the SC ruling - AMA

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Hello! I was thinking of doing this post for a little while now as the previous posts doing this by the rather wonderful trans men here were really interesting but I didnt want to take up too much space here or take any attention away from much more important things here than what I have to say.

But I figured to just go for it before I have a big old break from the Internet for a while.

So like the title says, I'm a transwoman who accepts the SC ruling: ask me anything if you'd like to and I'll do my best to answer.

People should be imprisoned by virtue of their biology.

This would be the biology textbook part of the education. So explain to me how, DSD is at all possible if sex is binary and not bimodal?

I'd rather not be imprisoned just because of my biology if its all the same to you.

They can't decide something they don't even believe exists...

Yes that was badly worded lol

I figured, but I did think the response was too good not to pass up

Tbf it made me laugh.

Easy: all DSDs are either male or female. Someone with a male DSD is male; someone with a female DSD is female.

Don't believe me? Show me a DSD that's neither male nor female.

So unironically one of the ways I have used to try and explain dysphoria to cis people is using the metaphor of being a prisoner in a body that isn't mine. Literally imprisoned because of my biology as it were.

Blimey.

https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/watch/is-sex-bimodal

I think you should stopping insulting people. Sex is binary and each sex has a huge range of different variations.

Ok, so people with DSD are assigned by a doctor to one or the other. Like if your point is that we have two sexes because of the way we record ASAB then that's not biology that decides it is it? Unless we've redefined it to include whatever a doctor says.

Oh chirpy!!!!

I don't think i am being disrespected or not cared for as a person because someone does not agree with me.

That it is what is so unique about gender ideology.

If i met you i would not point at you or say rude things, i would call you by your chosen name, i would not however refer to you as she.

I have used that also.

We always end up at “intersex”

Everybody has a sex.

You are either on the female or the male pathway, nobody has two sets of sexual organs only one.

Is this sophistry or do you genuinely not grasp the point being made?

A person with a difference of sex development can be categorised into either male or female using modern testing techniques.

People are either male or female depending on whether their bodies are formed around production potential of either large or small gametes (ie regardless of whether those gametes are produced or not). No person produces both large and small gametes.

Doctors - or anyone else really - don't "assign" sex at birth: we observe it. We observe it based on external genitalia (biology), or, if necessary, on further tests (biology again). So yes, it is absolutely biology which dictates which sex is recorded for us at birth.

Edit: by "us", I mean, "everyone", not that I have a DSD.

So I read this and cannot wrap my head around making this claim right after you've just said that the reason there is no x-axis with which to define a range and that is why it isn't bimodal.

Sex category is binary, defined by the two and only two gamete types that bodies can be structured for. Within the two categories, there is a spectrum of body types for males and a spectrum of body types for females, and this spectrum includes intersex individuals. A graph on the percentage of infants born with differences in sex development shows us that 99.8% of births are unaffected males or females, with typical chromosomal arrangements and typical body structures. Of the 0.2% of births with intersex conditions, most of these infants are also unambiguously male or female.

With such a stark contrast between the bimodal variety of sex differences (seen here) and the binary nature of sex category (seen here), it is clear that sex is not bimodal, but is rather a binary system that is consistent across our species, with plenty of variation within the two categories. Thus, it is the variation of traits within sex category that is bimodal, not sex category itself.

That's the axis right there and is why I can equally find articles that make the supporting claim that it is bimodal:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-biological-sex/

It's wrong, but helpful. The one I have settled on is to try and explain the experience as being akin to having a splinter you can't remove - it is painful and uncomfortable and you can tune out that feeling to a greater or lesser degree but can't get rid of it. That is why some days are better and others are worse. Left in too long it can fester and cause serious complications - things like mental distress - and so the right thing to do is to remove it through some kind of medical intervention.

Me? I said that? Gosh… are all female people just one homogenous entity to some male people?

So based on my experience you'd correctly refer to me as she because you have no reason not to. I've reached the point where I pass effortlessly in society and it's been many years since someone that didn't know me got it wrong. The bathroom ban does not affect me because no one challenges me ever, but it does affect others I know and care about which is why I think it is important to stake out the ground.

I think what I am asking @Bannedontherun is why you have a line for where your respect begins and ends. Why is validating my name fine for you, but my pronouns are not? Similarly, why is doing it in person not ok, but behind someone's back on an anonymous forum ok?

You posted the link honey, what else am I supposed to take from doing that than you think it supports you (it doesn't and you should have probably read it).

What’s the third gamete and what is its reproductive role?

Erm, what?

Their conclusion:

"it is clear that sex is not bimodal, but is rather a binary system that is consistent across our species, with plenty of variation within the two categories. Thus, it is the variation of traits within sex category that is bimodal, not sex category itself."

Binary, not bimodal.

I'll ask you one of my own - have you always thought that infertile women aren't women because they don't have a "reproductive role" or was that a recent position you've adopted?