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Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/05/2025 15:30

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

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spannasaurus · 17/05/2025 15:27

EasternStandard · 17/05/2025 15:25

I’m surprised he’s still able to practise. It’s activism as you say.

He's no longer practising as a barrister

MarieDeGournay · 17/05/2025 15:28

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 15:23

Yes it as deleted. It was one of those goady threads with a dodgy link and an OP who made "threats" about how many dormant Mumsnet accounts they had.

Thanks for that.
So what was the dodgy link? does the letter actually exist?? Are the apparent buck-eejits actually buck-eejits?

eatfigs · 17/05/2025 15:30

MarieDeGournay · 17/05/2025 15:26

I was wondering about that too.

It was a pretty sustained take-down of the content of the letter, but that wasn't difficult, it was a target-rich environment for picking apart.

I don't recall anything personal against the signatories, it was mostly just a generalised 'what a load of misogynistic buck-eejits they must be to produce this'.

https://archive.today/NIQp9
https://archive.today/OLvqQ
https://archive.today/rdu2S

Genuine letter but the poster was using it to troll.

EasternStandard · 17/05/2025 15:31

spannasaurus · 17/05/2025 15:27

He's no longer practising as a barrister

Is he still known as a KC?

Myalternate · 17/05/2025 15:31

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 15:23

Yes it as deleted. It was one of those goady threads with a dodgy link and an OP who made "threats" about how many dormant Mumsnet accounts they had.

So it wasn’t genuine? It had loads of signatures from medical professionals 😵‍💫

spannasaurus · 17/05/2025 15:33

EasternStandard · 17/05/2025 15:31

Is he still known as a KC?

Yes. You can keep the title even if you're no longer a practising barrister . I think one of the conditions is that you make clear that you're no longer practising

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 15:34

NotAtMyAge · 17/05/2025 15:21

You are quite right. The "Grin" quoted in this thread is Maugham's eldest daughter who here says one of her two younger sisters has now also come out as trans. https://x.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/1858807094918426886

"...to ask them if their child has permission to be in the proximity of a trans person when they're sleeping."

The most generous way to interpret these comments is that the person making them has lost touch with reality and requires significant professional support.

Otherwise, it certainly has the appearance of deliberate disinformation. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that what actually happened was that appropriate safeguarding actions were followed when a male child requested to sleep among female children (or vice versa). Of course parents had to be involved if that was in contemplation.

Being trans or not has nothing to do with it. Why has such blatant nonsense and disinformation been given so much power to override basic safeguarding up until the judgment.

Do people genuinely hear this twaddle and think it's about the person being trans rather than about mixed sex accommodation?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2025 15:53

WorriedMutha · 17/05/2025 15:24

He must know the criteria for intervening in cases. He defended the SC when they were being called enemies of the people in matters of prorogation and Brexit against the Tory Government. But now he's waging a trolling campaign against them that ill befits a legally qualified person. I am legally qualified and if there's one thing you learn it is that you weigh up the legislation and decided cases and advise your clients of risk accordingly. He should switch full time into activism as he's an embarrassment to the bar.
I watched the YouTube video of the LSE presentation by Naomi, Akua, Ben Cooper and Sarah Vine. I really recommend it but it is almost 2 hours. They speak in measured terms and point out areas where the judgment doesn't apply. No hyperbole, just legal clarity.
Contrast with the fox botherer and I just think he's had too long in the limelight but I'm clear that he's more like a sixth former than a KC.

More like too long in the sunlight.

WallaceinAnderland · 17/05/2025 15:59

I would actually like to hear the 'trans voices'.

I've seen so much hyperbole like 'trans apartheid' and women's rights being compared to fascism, that I would like to actually hear their reasoned points presented in a sensible way.

Stonewall started this with 'no debate' and now transpeople are complaining that they aren't being heard. Well that is what no debate is. That is what you wanted from the start.

Reasonable people are always open to debate.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/05/2025 16:09

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 15:34

"...to ask them if their child has permission to be in the proximity of a trans person when they're sleeping."

The most generous way to interpret these comments is that the person making them has lost touch with reality and requires significant professional support.

Otherwise, it certainly has the appearance of deliberate disinformation. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that what actually happened was that appropriate safeguarding actions were followed when a male child requested to sleep among female children (or vice versa). Of course parents had to be involved if that was in contemplation.

Being trans or not has nothing to do with it. Why has such blatant nonsense and disinformation been given so much power to override basic safeguarding up until the judgment.

Do people genuinely hear this twaddle and think it's about the person being trans rather than about mixed sex accommodation?

Look back to this interesting exchange in March 2022 of sneering Caroline Noakes trying to shame Kemi Badenoch, asking K
B if she would be happy if a trans child were in a dorm with her children.

It is 2:30 mins into the clip:
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/no-means-no?s=r&utm_medium=email

WorriedMutha · 17/05/2025 16:19

I didn't know he was no longer a practicing barrister. Is he just a business proprietor of the GLP now?

KnottyAuty · 17/05/2025 17:04

EweSurname · 17/05/2025 15:14

Gosh that really does undermine their case that they are women doesn’t it? It’s not quite the statement they think it is…

Bannedontherun · 17/05/2025 17:12

The Scottish Government can not appeal the decision of the Supreme Court.

Because they are not an affected person.

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 17:26

ScrollingLeaves · 17/05/2025 16:09

Look back to this interesting exchange in March 2022 of sneering Caroline Noakes trying to shame Kemi Badenoch, asking K
B if she would be happy if a trans child were in a dorm with her children.

It is 2:30 mins into the clip:
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/no-means-no?s=r&utm_medium=email

Oh gosh, how are we 3 years on and people are still arguing this nonsense that if a boy says he's a girl suddenly those words have magical powers and ordinary safeguarding gets jettisoned?

How did such abject nonsense ever get so much traction?

Nokes: Okay, so if there was a child that self-identified as transgender in a dormitory with your children, would that give you any cause for concern?

Badenoch: Are you saying if a biological male child was in a dormitory with biological females, but said he was a girl, would I be comfortable with that?

Nokes: Yeah.

Badenoch: No.

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 17:29

WorriedMutha · 17/05/2025 16:19

I didn't know he was no longer a practicing barrister. Is he just a business proprietor of the GLP now?

IANAL, but the Bar Standards Board has specific guidance for unregistered barristers, who are qualified but don't hold a current practising certificate. They can still offer certain legal services, just as long as they don't misrepresent what they are allowed to offer. They're also still members of the profession and expected to abide by its standards of conduct.

Unregistered-Barristers.pdf

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/static/5b88103e-e5e8-4df3-bd78768f706fb69d/Unregistered-Barristers.pdf

WorriedMutha · 17/05/2025 17:32

That's similar to the rules for solicitors if you are not holding a current practicing certificate.

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 17:36

It's really struck me since the SC judgment that I haven't seen or heard from anyone who is able to provide a coherent definition of what trans even means.

People are howling vociferously that trans rights are supposedly being taken away but they cannot even tell us what trans means.

Which leaves me wondering what actually is the purpose of the GRA and what has all this suffering been for?

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 17:37

He's spent most of today on bluesky shroud-waving about child suicide, he took a small break earlier to libel one of the SC judges.
Does he have no normal friends left now?

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action
SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 17:40

Yeah, I think being honest and upfront is the most important thing. I've never even had a practising certificate, but sometimes colleagues find out I have a law degree and ask me things about wills or power of attorney or similar. I don't mind sharing what I know, but I always tell them to get proper advice from a real lawyer.

Maybe this is why I'm allergic to lawyers telling people what they want to hear. There are a few of them who do this in the trans space. I think they'd serve the trans community better by telling them when their legal position is weak.

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 17:42

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 17:29

IANAL, but the Bar Standards Board has specific guidance for unregistered barristers, who are qualified but don't hold a current practising certificate. They can still offer certain legal services, just as long as they don't misrepresent what they are allowed to offer. They're also still members of the profession and expected to abide by its standards of conduct.

Unregistered-Barristers.pdf

Hmm.

For example, you can make a report about barristers who may be:

behaving in a way which is likely to diminish the trust and confidence which the public places in them or in the profession – for example if they are bullying or harassing someone or using racist, sexist, or otherwise seriously offensive language either in person or on social media. But do remember that, like everyone else, barristers have human rights which include the right to freedom of expression.

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/for-the-public/reporting-concerns.html

SpidersAreShitheads · 17/05/2025 17:42

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 17:37

He's spent most of today on bluesky shroud-waving about child suicide, he took a small break earlier to libel one of the SC judges.
Does he have no normal friends left now?

I really wish that judge would sue JoMo. Right now, he seems to think he can say whatever he likes, regardless of what the truth actually is.

SpidersAreShitheads · 17/05/2025 17:43

countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 17:42

Hmm.

For example, you can make a report about barristers who may be:

behaving in a way which is likely to diminish the trust and confidence which the public places in them or in the profession – for example if they are bullying or harassing someone or using racist, sexist, or otherwise seriously offensive language either in person or on social media. But do remember that, like everyone else, barristers have human rights which include the right to freedom of expression.

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/for-the-public/reporting-concerns.html

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Oh! This is interesting…… 👀

I wonder if there are grounds to argue this?

Bannedontherun · 17/05/2025 17:46

Maybe we should all complain to the bar council

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 17:46

JoMo's "The wisest lawyer I know"

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action
countrysidedeficit · 17/05/2025 17:47

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 17:37

He's spent most of today on bluesky shroud-waving about child suicide, he took a small break earlier to libel one of the SC judges.
Does he have no normal friends left now?

That's incredibly inappropriate. And also just plain stupid.

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