Helen Joyce finally makes it to Women's Hour today from 10am

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Just saw this:

Helen Joyce @ HJoyceGender
Morning all! Guess where I'm off to this fine day - Broadcasting House to discuss the @ ForWomenScot judgment, 4 weeks on, on @ BBCWomansHour! Do listen in. I'm looking forward to debunking some shocking disinformation, and reminding an astonished world that Women Have Rights Too

https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1922534653166006316

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Yes, I know I put "Women's" instead of "Woman's" in the title

Wanted to draw attention to the fact that WH now uses the term female perspectives on its holding page which I don’t think it used to say.

The way in which her questioning and, in fact, the entire media coverage of the case has been abysmal is that it is entirely focused on this as an anti-trans move. And it’s not.

Almost all the media coverage, including WH, focuses almost entirely on the impact on TIMs, how they feel and how we’ll manage to make them obey the law.

But this wasn’t an anti-trans case, it was a pro-women case. Women’s hour should have focused on how relieved women are that they can finally rely on equality act protections. That the travesty of advice from government institutions that systematically undermined women’s protections has finally been clearly contradicted. On an acknowledgement that sex as a class is a valid group for organizing socially and politically. That the case was about a few, highly influential people trying to legally reclassify some men as women (against the wishes of the vast majority of women) and how that was unfair and unworkable for women when you consider how and why women are discriminated against.

Maybe they are on board after all!!

What’s even more galling is the number of biological females who have swallowed it and then regurgitate it over and over again. Sadly, it’s almost as if they have/had to support it for fear of not being allowed to play with the boys.
It’s shameful.

Apparently the BBC are getting complaints about Helen Joyce. This is the link for sending feedback:
www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments

I've further commented on this already, I'm not repeating myself.

I've written to the Beeb to thank them for having HJ on. Said I appreciated that she was mostly allowed time and space to express her points, but the question about young boys in women's toilets with their mothers was desperate and embarrassing to hear from someone who is supposed to be a serious journalist.

Also highlighted that the comment from the presenter that 'Some organisations are not complying with the law in the way [HJ] would like them to' was also problematic and that the BBC was in serious danger on that point of misleading listeners with false information by using wrong and slippery language.

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I wonder how cogent and coherent the complaints are. I expect they’re mostly along the lines of “how dare you have this evil terf witch on, talking sense and denying my existence” repeated ad nauseam.

"How dare you let a woman voice her opinion on woman's hour"

Thank you for the warning and link.

It sounds like everyone who missed this needs to listen to it, then write to the BBC with full back up for Helen Joyce plus thanks to the BBC for putting her on, and then full rebuttal of misleading assertions or suggestions by Nuala/RMW plus criticism of any omissions.

I wonder what the criteria are for barristers to be reported to the Bar Council for bringing the profession into disrepute. Disagreeing with a Supreme Court judgement is one thing, stating that one intends to break the now clarified law would be another.

The complaints are probably coming from BBC staff. I imagine they had to have lengthy group therapy sessions and cleanse the building with sage or something after the wonderful Helen left.

Any fellow fans of Severance here? I’m imagining Nuala McGovern spent a looong time in the Break Room for her ‘pronoun mistake’ 😁

I know. How could an educational establishment of any standing use the phrase ‘sex assigned’ at birth?

I'll email with some positive comments. Where is the source of info that the BBC is getting a lot of complaints about having HJ on?

Interesting thought. Can anyone make a complaint/report to the Bar Council?

I’ve sent positive feedback. Thanked them for getting her to explain that young boys aren’t adult men and said I hope they have her on again.

i listened on catch up and was furious at the complying with the law as Helen would like statement. It doesn’t make any sense if you apply it to any other form of law breaking!

"It is outrageous that you had a woman on woman's hour explaining what the law is, how the law works and why we have the law. I don't like the like and intend to break the law. Anyone who agrees with the law should be locked up for breaking my interpretation of what the law should be. It. Is. A. Disgrace.

Hang on. Is Marmalade saying that we’re ‘vile’ for condemning the way some trans identified men behave in the ladies toilets??

We’re vile?? Not the predatory and disgusting behaviour of the trans identified men in the ladies toilets??

I’ve sent my feedback. I find it quite sinister that they want your address and phone number.

Absolutely agree. I will add one further point that I've come to realise.

The TRA movement at its heart is linguistic. Because if you can change the meaning of words like "woman" to mean something new (that it includes some men) then you can change laws without having to get new laws written and passed.

If you can change the meaning of words then you also change people's behaviour and their support for this ideology more easily.

This is something clearly FWS understood and so why they wanted "sex" and "women" defined in the Equality Act.

It's also a point that KJK copped onto very early and so why she put up her billboard with the definition of "woman" from the dictionary on it.

So now, like Helen, I just refer to them simply as men. Not trans identifying men, not transwomen, just men. Nice and clear and simple.

I don't know, complying with the law 'the way Helen would like' everyone to, wrt single sex spaces and speed limits and probably everything else that has been legislated for, ever.

Evil Helen doesn't want people to break the law is odd messaging.

I've sent positive feedback. The BBC wanting so many personal details was very annoying so I garbled it all up.

Have also sent positive feedback with only one word for my address. You do have to give them your correct email address though as they send a link to verify it before they accept the comment.

Would encourage all to give positive feedback. Maybe they'll take it on board and have more HJ and more women like her on. Would love to hear Doc Stock, Maya Forstater and KJK as well. Maybe also Graham Linehan.

Have sent mine in, thanking the Beeb for having Helen on, but asking why the presenter was so clearly partisan when comparing with the various men on recently.

Also asked why they have had so many male trans activitists on and so few women rights activists on when it's supposed to be about women.

Also pointed out that the presenter was badly prepared for this conversation. Also asked why she failed to challenge Robin over his appalling and derogatory comments during his interview.