Helen Joyce finally makes it to Women's Hour today from 10am

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Just saw this:

Helen Joyce @ HJoyceGender
Morning all! Guess where I'm off to this fine day - Broadcasting House to discuss the @ ForWomenScot judgment, 4 weeks on, on @ BBCWomansHour! Do listen in. I'm looking forward to debunking some shocking disinformation, and reminding an astonished world that Women Have Rights Too

https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1922534653166006316

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Yes, I know I put "Women's" instead of "Woman's" in the title

I would have liked Helen to ask Nuala about whether the Supreme Court Judgement has had any effect on BBC policies in respect of single sex spaces.

But thank you Helen for getting our message out loud and clear.

I am hearing on the grapevine that the BBC has been inundated with complaints for having Helen Joyce on.

So let's inundate them with positive feedback! I've just left a 'shit sandwich' type comment - HJ was fantastic/what the hell took you so long/ why was Nuala so scared unprepared/what an amazing and eloquent communicator HJ is!

The only, only bad thing about this dark period ending will be not getting to listen to Helen speak all the time

🤔

Commented. On the theme of following the law as it is written and not as it is imagined, how do the BBC think collecting a phone number and postal address along with name my and email address is proportionate data collection?

I’ve suggested Helen as a guest editor of the Today programme at the end of the year. That should lead to some cornflake spluttering.

Thank you

You can apologise all you like. We know you know.

I lived in the same SW town as Robin and I can categorically state that Robin had a certain local notoriety and no-one believed for a second that it would be wise to challenge Robin.

Big workplaces like universities are an issue. New buildings have gender neutral. Older ones don't. Trans policies all say use the toilet/showers you want to use. Some unis may have updated their policies but suspect most, like mine, have not.

Staff use same loos as students. So it's a workplace but I would not put myself as GC at work with HR.

But I think they'll wait and see if they're challenged and ignore the SC until then.

Exactly. It's exploiting the sexism that women already suffer from, in order to increase it.

I had a similar thing a few years ago when an acquaintance said what would you say to the fact that you get to have your women only toilets, and it's a privilege that is denied transwomen.

Deeming women only loos, which women require in order to keep them safe from men, as a privilege to enjoy, rather other than a necessity for protection, was a real fucking eye opener. Especially as it's protection from the very men trying to repurpose it as an ego boosting validation tool.

And it's the same with Robin.

Leveraging the sexism which results in mostly women taking on the childcare in order to expose them to risk from men?

Misogyny at its most excruciatingly blind.

Helen as always absolutely brilliant and inspiring to listen to - just so very very clear and reasonable - wow!

And I've just surprised myself by listening to WH on Monday with a certain barrister with a very male voice... I thought the questions were appropriately challenging, and did show up the unreasonableness of his demands. So yes, surprised myself by being relatively impressed by the interviewer... but that may be a reflection of how low my expectations are!!

I know I have a prejudice against what I think of as a “Radio 4” voice, even though it’s the station I most often listen to, and I’m particularly annoyed by a particular rather querulous tone that seems to be adopted by some female presenters. So I tend to get annoyed with them. On listening again, I thought Nuala was OK with Helen - she gave her time to speak and I supposed her questions were scripted. They were certainly far too long, but that’s fairly standard. But that last point! It seemed even worse the second time round. What were they thinking, unless to make the sex realist case for us?

I’m just reflecting on the fact that we know RMW monitors these boards and will know this is being discussed. And has reportedly been able to have posts deleted or threads pulled.
RMW has historically posted on threads about the Allison Bailey tribunal and on IAmSarah’s thread about her case for rape crisis centre being single sex. Actions which seemed at best unwise given RMW’s professional role in those cases.

And yet, on this thread, absolute radio silence.

Interesting.

Big workplaces like universities are an issue. New buildings have gender neutral. Older ones don't. Trans policies all say use the toilet/showers you want to use. Some unis may have updated their policies but suspect most, like mine, have not.
Staff use same loos as students. So it's a workplace but I would not put myself as GC at work with HR.
But I think they'll wait and see if they're challenged and ignore the SC until then.

Some are changing their policies already to comply with the law. Warwick Uni have just published their new policy:

That tosh is written by supposedly educated people? And I went there, too.

Done

I've just looked, It's been over a year (February last year) since RMW last posted.

I'm probably not the only one though who would like Robin to come back to discuss with the women on here whether or not Robin, as a member of the male sex with no GRC, plans to use the women's toilets and changing rooms etc going forward in direct contradiction to the Supreme Court ruling.

Absolutely shocked. Thought it was most captured uni ever to bekind inclusion. Though having had quite serious allegations in the past may have, as Helen pointed out, brought in the lawyers over the DEI managers.

I know!!! I'd listen to Helen reading the phonebook! So when all her aims for Sex Matters have been achieved, if she feels like starting a YouTube channel or podcast where she discusses economics, cricket, science fiction, gives hair tips, rates her favourite biscuits, tells Irish people living in England where they can buy Tayto or Brennans or Cidona, basically discusses ANYTHING...I WILL subscribe and enjoy it 😍

It was a great interview, I like it when people are tough on HJ because she can handle it, and they end up looking like berks.

I always want to ask the people supporting radical acceptance what is the threshold that you would consider acceptable before you realise that males presenting as women are a threat to women’s safety and fairness?

Wow. That is rather concerning for your community! I am sorry to hear this because it must have been concerning for anyone chancing using a space to then feel the added distress that nothing could be done.

Easy to believe when even women talking on anonymous, rule heavy threads are routinely deleted and prevented from posting.

Not been able to listen properly till now; agree with @nauticantthat Nuala was a good interviewer, setting out the challenges that HJ could expertly rebuke.

they have to be balanced and she gave similar challenge to RMW on Monday.

if anything I felt she was more flustered with RMR and more natural with HJ.

So I’ll have to eat my hat I guess