“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

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More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

His parents are fully behind him-he's a girl and real girls don't matter

Apparently he struts around in short skirts,heels and waaayyy too much make up (don't they all?)

I remember a young lad at my dcs school

He was now called Katy and was to be treated like a girl

The school held assemblies on how katy was a girl,was the use the girls toilets and take part in girl sports,no bullying or questions allowed etc

Anyone who didn't like this could move schools-and a lot did (we where coming to the end of the time at the school so wasn't worth it)

Parents who said anything where told to 'educate yourselves' and 'She's a girl with a penis'

This kid was 5-i remember mine asking questions and where shot down and given a detention (which I refused to allow-my card was marked after that)

The mother and her friends where the loudest voices at the school

Starts young

Wow shocking behaviour. I bet he'll grow into a tyrant, started young throwing his weight around and being told he can be and do what he wants, nevermind girls who should move aside for this boy. All enabled by parents and school. Wait until he realises he actually cannot really change his sex. Even he realises that people are pushing back at his demands. Tantrum Time.

The child is about 20 now and I'm told that's exactly what he's like

Enabled by his mother (father doesn't give a fuck)

She was the loudest mouth at that school and if you didn't agree with her,your card was marked (my card was black,so i didnt really give a fuck)

I think the headmistress was scared of her-she never normally took crap like this,she was a bit if a bitch and would never have pandered to anyone else (or maybe the mother knew someone higher up)

The child throws his (and I mean his) weight around and god help anyone who gets in his way,with mummy cooing at him

I remember the young girls being frightened of him because he'd try to enter the cubicle/watch them on the loo,enabled by the teachers and where told off if they complained

I'm not sure if this matters,but they where very middle class-im working class so my words and worries where ignored-I was told more than once to educate myself

I'm convinced that if this was my child,I would have had ss on my doorstep and would have been arrested for abuse,but she was the type of mother to kids-that-where-slightly-grubby-and-scruffy-and-it-was-trendy-to-have-a-trans-child-at-the-time (not sure of any other area,but where we lived,and with some parents,it was-about 2014/5 ish)

Other people's rights didn't come into it-still don't with this brat

Narcissism from a young age and he gets worse everyday

Oddly,his sister is the opposite-a lovely young lady

I have read a few sibling points of view when they have a trans sibling and enabling parents. Horrifying- the trans sibling dominates and controls the entire family.

You can console yourself with the thought that if they still allow him to use the ladies toilet, they're breaking the law.

His days of abusing women in their own space are numbered

We both started 10 years or so ago
When I heard the ruling,I cried my eyes out
My first thought was exactly this
I just hope I'm there when HE and the spineless manager cunts are arrested
(I'll never forget that one cow who told me that 'she' is vulnerable and needs to pee,so get over it')
Vulnerable my backside-HE enjoyed the power trip over women
I hope his arse turned to ice when he heard the ruling

@DelboytrottersDnecklace he won't get arrested, it's a civil law thing not a criminal one. But the female staff there can probably bring a case against the company for discrimination, and probably sexual harrassment

Yes but I'm pleased by the writing. Writer stated (paraphrase) 'This is a strong woman trained for difficult circumstances'. Nice to see her recognised that way.

Hopefully companies will start to realise that they need to protect women ans stop making way for men . Otherwise lawyers will sue. Hit them where,it hurts, their pockets.

Couldn't the women have complained of discrimination anyway, since they were told that they had to clean the toilets, while he apparently didn't have to clean up his own mess? It seems to me the way to stop him making such a mess & enjoying it was for the manager to tell him he was responsible for leaving the toilets in a decent condition, same as everyone else.

Good lord. It just gets worse!

Interesting how often men quickly opt out of 'identifying' into womanhood when it involves distinctions like these. Stick cleaning on the table, and as if by magic the actual distinction between men and women (in terms of real discrimination) suddenly appears.

I was going to react with a laughing emoji. But this is deadly serious 🖤

from Janice turners interview with Stephanie & Debbie Hayton

“This, says Stephanie, was the hardest point, with Debbie distracted and self-obsessed. Meanwhile Stephanie shouldered the whole domestic load, going to parents’ evening alone so their children wouldn’t be embarrassed by Debbie. Hayton jokes that, alas for wives, “living as a woman” doesn’t involve doing more chores.”

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4999528-4999528-janice-turner-interview-with-debbie-hayton-in-the-times

They're taking the piss out of us. They don't even try to hide it!

Why oh why do some women completely seriously get on board with this? It's all very anti-suffrage - wanting to deny themselves rights and those of all other women along with them.

Does not compute.

Narcissists always have enablers. They manipulate people around them to prop up their fantasy, and the enablers are afforded a degree of protection form the narcissist's rage. They know what happens to anyone who dares to say No.

Stick cleaning on the table, and as if by magic the actual distinction between men and women (in terms of real discrimination) suddenly appears.

This reminds me of a job I did 50 years ago. There were two managers, one male, one female and a couple of young lads, but otherwise women, in a department of about 20. The male Manager (typical male chauvinist) drew up the tea rota (yes, vitally important!) and put all the women, including our female Manager on, but not the two lads. We crossed her name out and put the two lads on in her place. We argued that Managers had better things to do than make the tea, the lads didn't. Sex didn't need to come into it.

But that was then, when we were busy fighting for our rights, not enabling men. Those too were the days when gender referred to grammar - you would have been laughed at if you talked about being 'misgendered'.

brilliant text again by Victoria Smith, using this case as a model example for her argumentation:

"Ultimately, the double bind is both victim-blaming and coercive. Women are put in situations where the only way to prove we are “rational” and “undamaged” is to give in to male demands. Sometimes when I see women denigrating other women for wanting boundaries, even after disclosing their own trauma, I feel they’re attempting to position themselves as “less ruined” than the crazy women “causing trouble”. People are kinder to you if you’re the cool girl saying “yes” than the mad girl saying “no”. Show that whatever was done to you left no marks by letting others do it again. "

thecritic.co.uk/women-should-always-be-able-to-say-no/

Mail is reporting Wes Streeting hss intervened and ordered the hospital to give the nurses their own room

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14790917/Victory-Darlington-nurses-win-landmark-battle-female-hospital-changing-room.html

So I think Streeting’s intervention means the Darlington Nurses won’t have to get changed in an old office anymore and will get a ‘proper’ changing room. But I don’t think it changes anything wider? I don’t quite understand the implications of what’s happened here

It shows the harm of 'being kind' and moving aside for men in dresses. Real women suffered here. Many won't care because the men in dresses are more important.

I suspect that he was waiting post SC judgement for Darlington and the NHS generally to come to its senses!

as he’s health Secretary he won’t want Darlington spending more money defending a case he knows they can’t win

however as neither of those seem to be happening, he’s stepped in. That doesn’t mean the nurses can’t still go ahead with their case though

What should actually happen is that the female changing room is declared a single sex space and 'Rose' is given another place to change if he is not prepared to use the mens.

It’s sending a strong message to NHS trusts that they will have to stop flouting the law and treat their female staff properly.

I suppose we will now see whether the NHS trusts return women's changing rooms to women only and deal with the issues of saying 'no' to men employees, or whether they create the Bitch Terf Nasty Person space for disobedient women because He Made Us, and at least permit the non consenting women to escape men harassing them in the women's changing rooms. While permitting those men to go on accessing them.

I could be very cynical and say it will be the latter.

One of them, Bethany Hutchison, said they ‘hugely appreciate’ the action ‘to restore our safety and dignity in the workplace in line with the law’.
And she said the nurses would not ‘stop until this action is extended urgently to female workers across the NHS without any unnecessary delay’.

It is good news. Makes their life easier before the inevitable Court win. They are winning back rights for all workers. Darlington is going to be remembered like the Ford Dagenham workers in a while. We probably need to work out who should be cast as Mumsnet users.

Moreover signals along with other recent moves that the Labour leadership know the gender stuff is unpopular and wrong and they can't be bothered to invest time in it. The House of Cards is coming down.