“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

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More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

Not verified, but found this on X.

This is allegedly ‘Rose’

https://x.com/ajatheempress/status/1921486740100964506?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ]]

It really has been a blessing that transphobia came along to give men a progressive reason for open misogyny. You'd be forgiven for thinking it was by design.

Rose looks oh soooo feminine. A catch for any man!

Yet more batshit nonsense from Reddit

I know some people connected to this and have seen pictures of the nurse, their argument is just transphobic that the nurse isn’t fem enough, she presents as a woman, has long hair etc.

Brave Rose, the definition of woman. .

You can really see how Shakespeare may have been inspired....

All this abuse of a CSA survivor because she didn't want to get her clothes off in front of a man.

Hideous, dangerous, entitled, vile, woman-hating bellends.

Absolutely dreadful. Why isn’t this on AIBU?

I occasionally look at Reddit. I go there mainly for a specific language page.

My impression is that most of the posters there are in their teens or twenties. I live in the hope that they'll mature as they grow older.

Because whenever these threads are started in aibu they get moved here.

On point as always

J.K. Rowling

Every sneering commentator and smug politician who can’t see what the fuss is about when it comes to single-sex facilities needs to read this piece, then explain why this woman’s trauma is of no importance to them.

Well, that's still the charitable interpretation.

Either women's trauma is of no importance, or ... it's of great importance.

'Yet more batshit nonsense from Reddit

I know some people connected to this and have seen pictures of the nurse, their argument is just transphobic that the nurse isn’t fem enough, she presents as a woman, has long hair etc.'

Oh, well that changes everything! He's got long hair ladies, get your kit off for him you vile transphobes🙄

To keep the see no evil peeps happy.

This subject is 'boring' you see.

That reads like a very accessible version of Matt Goodwin’s essay about the epistemic class. (Following is quoting self from other threads. )

Matt Goodwin describes the rise of the "epistemic class" that shapes the prevailing culture, conversation, politics, arts, policy in a way that means all that they survey is familiar to them but unrecognisable to others outside that group. This overlaps with Rob Henderson's observations about luxury beliefs for which the harms accrue to others, and not those that espouse them.

For much of the last half century, the new elite, whose families often descend from the professional and managerial classes, benefitted far more than others…
Shaped by their privileged family backgrounds, their educational qualifications, and their much greater ‘cultural capital’…the new elite hoovered up most of the gains from Britain’s embrace of hyper-globalisation and a political economy which was rebuilt around them, which both demanded and rewarded their skills.
They’ve benefitted culturally, too. After flooding into the creative, cultural, knowledge and public sector institutions, becoming a new “epistemic class” which creates, filters and determines what is or what is not acceptable or desirable within the national conversation, the new elite watched the prevailing culture be completely reshaped around their far more socially liberal values, tastes, political priorities, and interests.
Increasingly, when they’ve looked out at the institutions and what they create -the television programmes, films, adverts, books, museums, galleries, columns, and the national conversation more broadly- they’ve seen their worldview staring back at them while millions of others struggle to recognise their worldview at all.

www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

Unfortunately Karen did (unwillingly) glimpse his genitals. But the NHS don’t use that as a test. They are happy to take Rose solely on his word

Is there anything to be gained from writing to Wes Streeting, Baroness Merron, and our own MP to ask this and to argue for a near term revision to NHS policies?

Would this be a stronger or more effective show of support for Karen than writing to her?

The transgender uk reddit has a post about this piece and they are accusing Karen of ' weaponising her trauma' or lying or being transphobic for not accepting 'Rose' in the surgery room

I think this is probably why they lost the debate in a country which is generally very much ' live and let live' re people's personal lives.

But he’s not allowed in there. The SC ruling says that

Transwomen are men

I'd say both. Covers the personal and the professional.

I'll copy in my useless gobshite Labour TRA MP, too.

Is the solution here not to have male wards, female wards, and trans wards? A non binary ward perhaps, same with toilets?

Reading that is horrific.

”Then he gave this smirk, this expression, it was the same one my dad had when he was doing the abuse. He could see I was uncomfortable, and he didn’t seem to care.”

That smirk is the face of a man who is getting off on his power to make her afraid and uncomfortable. He does care, he cares a whole lot that she is uncomfortable, it’s exactly what he was hoping for. The motivation behind forcing unwilling women to take their clothes off in front of him, see his genitals or receive medical care from him is EXACTLY the same as a flasher. His kick is derived from the shock, fear and discomfort he creates in his victims.

Flashing went from a bit of a joke to being regarded as a potential gateway offence to more serious sexual offences. It’s difficult to not draw parallels between the patterns of escalation identified in exhibitionist sexual offences and the escalation of TRA demands from “we just want to use women’s toilets”, then access to changing rooms and any other single sex spaces and services, then escalating to exposing themselves in these spaces, further escalation to giving intimate care, and even to coerced sexual acts with Lesbian women. All alongside the forced speech required to validate their purported womanhood, while also generating a sexual kick from the power to force compliance.

Women failed, gaslight, bullied, abused, given inferior facilities, forced to disclose trauma, driven to engaging legal representation to prevent a man who you are in an active work issue in taking part in your medical care when unconscious. Work enabled indecent exposure. The perpetrator fully backed by management and HR to the point of being given the opportunity to reeducate his victims.

I don’t understand how any decent human being could be involved in these practices and think they are equitable and justifiable. Are thousands of NHS management and HR staff delusional, misogynists or too afraid to do anything that could result in their being tarred as transphobic and then in fear for their jobs?

I agree, this woman has been subjected to torture by her employer/healthcare provider

x.com/gussiegrips/status/1921542671228686721?s=46

Thank you for this.
The parallel between flashing as a gateway to larger offences and “we just want to pee” is really useful. Unless society calls time it will only be a few years before their an entire TRA squad in a women’s football team… there’s nowhere they won’t push into for their own purposes and don’t care about anyone else. Are the enablers completely context blind?

Rose …. As woman, needs at very least an “Intro to Woman behavior in woman only spaces.”

Woman don’t ask each other if/when they will undress.

Women usually assess the environment even if they undress there every day. They check for gaps in curtain, open doors, staring people. I think I speak for most if not all when I say, we are always vigilant and always vulnerable no matter our history. Not just personal body safety, but about theft and ogling pervs.
in fact, it’s not just women only spaces …. It’s every space.

They need cubicles - private change cubicles. No undressing in common areas.