Sturgeon: SC ruling risks making trans lives "unliveable"

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/transgender-peoples-lives-at-risk-of-being-made-unliveable-says-nicola-sturgeon

“It certainly doesn’t make a single woman any safer to do that because the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men.”

You don't get it, do you Nic love? I don't have enough eye-rolls for the idea that trans-identified men are never predatory or abusive, especially in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.

"The former first minister and SNP leader added that it is not “inevitable” that the judgment will make the lives of transgender people “impossibly difficult”, but there was a “danger” that certain interpretations could put transgender rights at risk."

What rights? The SC ruling clarified the law as it is and always has been, which is that trans people don't have the right to treated as if they were the opposite sex. Or does she just mean "It's really unfair that they're going to have to abide by the same rules as everyone else rather than demanding special privileges"?

Her trans mob are all she has left, she trashed her legacy as first minister and left the job under a cloud of suspicion of criminal activity and financial irregularity pertaining to party donations. We'll never know the full story of how much she knew but she's a busted flush and history will not look kindly on her or her government.

"I would be very concerned if that interim guidance became the final guidance"

She (like certain others) implies that the EHRC has the option of issuing guidance that is significantly more to the TRA side's liking than the interim guidance. But I am really not convinced that the EHRC has much leeway or room for manoeuvre. Their guidance has to fall within the parameters set by the Supreme Court and I really don't think that gives them a lot of options. Nor should it.

Gosh you’d think she’d just keep quiet after her record in government!

Well living a lie probably is quite difficult, especially if it requires compliance from the general public.

This provoked some overthinking on my part. Maybe I'm getting a taste of the intellectual masturbation which allowed this ideology to take hold.

Anyway

Stating that transwomen were born male seems to have such a massive impact it upends humanity itself.
But stating they are women has no impact at all on anyone.

Yet transwomen are simultaneously born male and sre women so both statements have to be true. So there is a massive impact and no impact all at once.

Hmm raisonnement à l'absurde or divine transformation.

@transdimensional Exactly, either the law that sex refers to biological sex or the equality law is totally meaningless.

It seems to be totally beyond any of the TRA side to consider that the way to make trans lives better is to agitate for provision for them, specific to their needs, instead of agitating for women’s (and men’s, but let’s face it, it’s mainly been women’s) provision that is specific to the needs of biological women to be diluted and eliminated.

It’s hard to read anything from Nicola Sturgeon without getting the urge to bang my head on the nearest wall.

the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men

Yes, exactly.

And are there any little clues to warn a man may be dangerous? Like, he forces himself into places where he shouldn’t be? He won’t take No for an answer from women? He ignores polite social conventions? He thinks women’s boundaries are for trampling on? He thinks the world revolves around him and women should indulge his every whim? His self-pity is so strong, it justifies his every abusive action?

Just a thought.

Fuck off, you are the author of your own downfall, Nicola. No one cares.

What rights? The SC ruling clarified the law as it is and always has been, which is that trans people don't have the right to treated as if they were the opposite sex.

The EHCR had guidance saying that something different though (although they’ve made it very clear now), so I can see why people were confused. It wasn’t just stonewall getting ahead of the law, the regulatory bodies got it wrong too

So doubling down then Nicola. You won't be remember well. You tried to trample over women and girls' rights. No a chance in hell would we let you do that quietly.

the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men.

MVAWG could end tomorrow, and it still wouldn’t be possible to change sex and women would still need sex specific rights, including women who don’t identify as women.

Whether or not she owes an apology to women (I don’t think anyone expected one - she has never hidden her misogyny), she owes an apology to the genuinely vulnerable people she exploited, making promises she could not possibly keep.

Well quite, except Sturgeon, like so many of her ilk, is doubling down in the face of clarification of what the law actually is. Sunk costs fallacy, I expect.

And as for saying trans lives could be "unliveable" - IMO that's feeding into the narrative about the alleged levels of suicide (which never seems to be evidenced and which thankfully don't seem to be true) which is harmful and dangerous, particularly when vulnerable people are already upset by the ruling.

even if transwomen were no threat, the problem is that there is no formal way to distinguish a 'genuine transwoman' from a 'creep who says I-am-trans'.

that is why it is essential to keep all men out of female toilets and changing rooms.

Ha! You beat me to it Eresh!

Isla Bryson.

It's interesting that it's mostly the people on the TRA side that bring up VAWG when talking about trans people.

When in actual fact, women are voicing their concerns over many issues, fairness in sport, privacy, dignity, equal representation, etc.

It's not us saying that trans people are a threat to women. We are saying that women as a class are vulnerable to men as a class.

But it's people like Nicola who immediately make the link between dangerous men and transwomen.

Weird.

I’m just reposting what I put on the other thread.

You’ve played a massive part in making trans lives unliveable, Nicola. We only got to this point because of you and your government’s actions. If you really care about trans people then maybe reflect on that. (Not that I think what she’s saying about trans lives is true, to be clear.)

She means that she's driven by her ego and her primary motivation is never, ever, ever to admit she fucked up, no matter what colossal harm is caused by her stupidity, hubris, conceit and dishonesty. She could not be less of a stateswoman if she tried. She has put her ego above the interests of every person in her country. She needs to fuck off.

It's like their argument is just "Is anyone actually raping you or murdering you? No? So what's the problem then?" Because they can't see any issue as relates to women other than the limited ones which would occur to most men.

Toilets could be the most lovely, sociable mixed sex places in the world, and I still wouldn’t be able to use a urinal.

Times article:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/1e33b226-fb9e-410c-a64d-1c524efea1aa?shareToken=5bb48164745ed277a35ce10a2c127b0f

As an ex SNP voter I actually can't even look at her picture now without feeling a complete and utter rage at her wilful betrayal of women and girls.

She actively made things worse for women and girls. She has also made things worse for those she claims to defend by lying to them and promising them things that were impossible. She has made things worse for this country. She has no shame.

Fucks sake. She literally trashed her career over this nonsense and she's still banging on about the 0.00001%
Is sturgeon in fact a trans woman herself maybe? I really can't think of another reason for her lunacy.

Its all just end to end untrue.

Isla Bryson was as trans as anyone else, that's what self ID is.

The only way to make 'trans lives liveable' is to make women's lives unliveable and remove their equality and rights in law.

I'm disgusted that a woman is all for that. A powerful woman who will never suffer what she is so happy to hand over other women to.