Greens internal drama warms up

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New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

Great analysis. Yes it certainly looks in theory that the Greens can expand the party's vote share under ZP. The thing is it currently looks like there is limits to that because of his style of politics. Beyond let us say 15%.

There are a few implications with this for the Greens and the wider UK politics.

1 - As you say it means direct competition with Your party as they both will be interested in the same sort of seats. Obviously ZP talks a lot about an alliance, but the issue is the Greens are very much the senior party in terms of organisation and existing success. In the local elections for instance standing down a Green candidate in favour of an untried YP candidate is a pretty daft idea. At the moment we don't know how effective YP will be, but it doesn't look great. It certainly going to be interesting.

2 - A shift in style may mean sacrificing existing rural seats to gain more seats in more urban areas. Overall the maths might work better for the Greens, however that does change the maths in other locations. This could be an advantage for the Lib Dems perhaps or other parties.

3 - ZP claims he is going to be the one to stop Farage. I think that ZP is not a threat to Farage, but rather an asset. His challenge to Farage based on the idea he is a wealthy "fascist" is clearly not going to work. Indeed ZP is exactly the kind of politician that Farage can best contrast himself against. Unable to define human biology, a name calling person whose concerns seem out of touch to ordinary people, someone who thinks that open borders is a great plan, and also someone who thinks that people in Scunthorpe are somehow responsible for the war in Gaza, with a Muslim deputy who has said some dodgy stuff in contrast with Farage whose Muslim senior figure is clearly focused on the UK. Some of the stuff ZP says a focus on wealth and class could derail Farage, but that could be overshadowed by other stuff he cares about. Imagine a debate in which Farage and ZP are both in. Say the question of sex comes up - Farage is going to make jokes Hypnoboobs is going to look daft. People will remember that not anything ZP says about Farage's economic ideas.

Great interview

Shahrar Ali
https://x.com/ShahrarAli/status/1974935593676374168

Seem to have picked up quite a few plaudits following my appearance tonight on
GBNEWS

. I address:
♀️ Taking GPEW to court a second time - Stonewall & Khelif
♀️ Unjust cancellation of
GWDeclaration stall
👉 Mothin Ali must apologise to Rabbi

Curiously, and I'd hasten to add this is not an accusation of fascism, Hitler was profoundly influenced by occultist and dramatist Dietrich Eckart and hypnotist, clairvoyant and stage magician Erik Jan Hanussen, possible influence of Mann's "Mario and the Magician". There's obviously a deep vein to be mined with respect to mass media and persuasion of the masses.

Another interview in which ZP is defending his use of fascist as a term for Farage. It doesn't go well. Currently trending on X.

https://x.com/LBC/status/1974803450484367556

Yep, I suppose I'm old fashioned for imagining the Green Party are about the environment.

Surely a huge risk that Labour/Our party/Greens just totally fragment the left vote? And possibly will struggle to win support from the floating middle.

Isn't a coalition looking a very likely outcome of the next election? I guess a Lab/Your/Green one is possible. And a Tory/Reform one also perhaps possible.

Interesting times...

Yep, I suppose I'm old fashioned for imagining the Green Party are about the environment.

In the US, green leader Jill Stein attended dinners with MAGA general Mike Flynn in Russia to celebrate Putin propaganda channel Russia Today. Helped peel away disaffected democrat voters in 2024

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

I also think that ZP's charisma and the fact that he is a good communicator are his greatest strengths. However, I thought the interview he did with Justin Webb on the today show was quite revealing in how he deals with criticism. He is still very new to the role and his ego obviously likes the adulation he gets from all the new Green members. He does great when he gets a fairly easy ride in interviews, but scrutiny of their policies will increase as time goes on, especially as there is not a huge amount of substance behind them at the moment. Will he become better at these type of interviews or will be react the way he did on the Today programme (becoming rattled, talking over the presenter, telling them what questions they should be asking etc)?

And I think backing the omnicause voters is a risky strategy because they are so completely uncompromising. ZP is saying all the right things at the moment, but if he deviates even slightly from the TWAW line, which he might have to do because of legal action, they will turn on him. And although 80% of Green members might be in favour of gender self-ID, the majority of the general public are not. Honestly, standing on a platform of gender self in 2025, seems utterly bonkers. And their new authoritarian members will be busy trying to root out the 20% that don't support it.

Just been reading the X claims that Farage is 'fascist'. Why do people assume that the only bad outcome of politics is fascism? There seems to be no other assessment possible when people disagree with someone's politics. So it becomes a stupid argument over whether he fits a set of shifting criteria used to describe a previous political movement. Why doesn't anyone consider that other harmful political ideologies are possible - including ones yet to be invented?

It'd be quite possible to criticise Farage's policies or positions without having to try and insist they are 'fascist'. But people seem determined to insist that 1. fascism is the only possible bad outcome, and 2. That because fascism is implemented incrementally that people's intent might be protofascist almost without them realising.

Its almost superstitious, as if fascism is a virus one might catch. And it makes Polanski look very silly.

Yes, relying on a voter base that works by purity spiral could go horribly wrong quite easily. ZP has effectively set out his stall for exactly that type of member in the GPEW. Might even be worth rejoining just to watch the struggle sessions play out.

😳

Both by splitting the vote and in style of ZP and others the Greens are potentially huge assets to Reform.

Maybe they might help in that Starmer's Labour are going to look better in comparison.

I did think that. Because its easy to make wild promises with little to zero prospect of having to fulfil them. So it can play against Labour's appeal to the middle ground.

The Green party motions passed at conference on trans issues are really really bad.

Shahrar Ali
x.com/ShahrarAli/status/1975165156473676116
The Green Party is an actual danger to society.

They are also lying about deaths from suicide, a matter roundly debunked by independent report last year (link at end*). Here's what Green Party conference approved as part of motion "Reforming Trans Healthcare":

"RR534: We recognise that waiting lists for NHS GICs are longer than for any other form of healthcare in the UK and that these elongated wait times, both for care to begin and for further appointments, has lead to the deaths of many trans people, especially young trans people, and have led many others to self-medicate."

"RR540 Conversion therapy is one of the most dangerous forms of coercive behaviour forced upon trans people, especially trans youth, and leads to depression, detransition, and suicide."
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Darren Johnson

At its conference in Bournemouth, the Green Party voted to completely ignore the clinical findings of the Cass Review in favour of doling out yet more puberty blockers and hormone treatments to confused kids. So pleased I resigned from this wicked child castration cult.

Gus O'Donnell the ex head of the civil service said they "war gamed" scenarios in the run up to the 2010 election of the labour party in coalition with the lib dems but never even thought about one with the Tories and the lib dems.

Who knows. A labour Tory coalition ? Green party our party lib dem Vs hated fascist labour?

They were always going to jump the shark with ZP at the helm. It may only hasten their inevitable crash.

Are the hormones being used in these derived from animal sources, or are they purely synthetic/ plant based or "vegan"?

I get the feeling that politics is just Zack's current project. A career in news and current affairs TV surely beckons. Or some panel game that lasts for a decade. He's a class act. But it is an act?

Hmm. Like Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael in coalition in Ireland. Unthinkable fifteen years ago even. Still seems unlikely for Lab/ Tory parties. Some meltdown in Russia or the USA might give a pretext though.

Listening right now to Zack's interview with Bastani. He's very fond of that Nick Clegg thing of "I'm going to reframe the question you asked me and answer the question I wish you'd asked me" - which is a bit cheeky when you've got an interviewer as sympathetic as Bastani.

He's a fluent talker all right. Most of what I'm getting is that the "populism" is a stylistic thing i.e. the GP is going on the attack and having a big megaphone. There's less emphasis on having actually popular policies.

It's wild to have the two of them opposite each other because it used to be that people from immigrant/minority backgrounds would anglicise their names to move up in the world. That's why the various branches of my family no longer have Gaelic surnames.

Polanski and Bastani, on the other hand, have both changed their names, because these days a foreign sounding name gets you more media clout. Strange days indeed.

Apparently the Greens have now voted to abolish private landlords.

"The Greens would set up a state-owned housing manufacturer "to mass produce high quality mass council housing for local authorities"."

I'm very interested to know how they plan to do this quickly and inexpensively AND build the houses in a sustainable way. Or am I being overly cynical in thinking that you can say any old thing if you don't think you will ever be in government.

I read their "abolish landlords" pledge as a fun troll of Jezbollah, since at least 3 of their MPs are landlords.

Maybe I'm being optimistic in thinking the GP are being witty rather than bonkers, but I'm in a good mood today.

A Tory/Reform coalition would swing it, I reckon...though i can well understamd Kemi Badenoch's displeasure at that.

Yes, and Labour would be absolutely mad to align with the Greens or with Your Party.

The landlord thing just makes it sound like they’re doing student union politics. I haven’t read the detail, but nor will most people, and immediately I can think of a lot of questions about practicality, and just think they are mad!