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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:41

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 11:39

It seems Kathleen Stock was right. IYKYK

Hahaha hahaha

Yep.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:42

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:36

So, you won’t answer the original question but are now full on in deflection mode.

And it sounds to me like you are rather ill informed.

But I now take it that you personally think that hormones are what separates men from those you declare are no longer men. Can I assume that is your answer since you are now so hung up on this?

And yes, if you are a male with particular cancers that feed off testosterone, you tend to take testosterone suppressants as well.

So, in your mind it is the hormones that make one male person a man and one male person no longer a ‘man’?

What was your question? "Do I see that I'm illogical because there's an illness which has the same treatment that TW get but I don't see those patients as TW?" (paraphrasing)

No. Firstly, because I know of no disease that has the exact same treatment that a trans woman gets, and secondly, because it's not just about the treatment that your body gets, it's also about deeply wanting to be the opposite sex. Which presumably, your hypothetical patient does not want to be and does not feel himself to be.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:43

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 11:40

Because the supreme court ruling is not incompatible with ECHR

But apparently…. JK Rowling and the Supreme Court are transphobic because …

I am lost as to why at this point …

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:43

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 11:40

The ECHR gives guidelines that are based on an understanding of the law. The Supreme Court has now made clear the law...before it was confused and misrepresented. The new guidelines will reflect that clarity.

The EHRC gives guidance on understanding of the law.

The ECHR is not the EHRC...

WithSilverBells · 04/05/2025 11:45

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 11:40

The ECHR gives guidelines that are based on an understanding of the law. The Supreme Court has now made clear the law...before it was confused and misrepresented. The new guidelines will reflect that clarity.

I think you mean EHRC. I use ECtHR for the european court. It is confusing. ECHR is also an abbreviation for the Convention🙄

KilkennyCats · 04/05/2025 11:46

Datun · 03/05/2025 20:42

The brilliant bit about all this is that she actually does have influence.

People are gonna read that

Yes. Thank God for that woman 🙏

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:47

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:42

What was your question? "Do I see that I'm illogical because there's an illness which has the same treatment that TW get but I don't see those patients as TW?" (paraphrasing)

No. Firstly, because I know of no disease that has the exact same treatment that a trans woman gets, and secondly, because it's not just about the treatment that your body gets, it's also about deeply wanting to be the opposite sex. Which presumably, your hypothetical patient does not want to be and does not feel himself to be.

Ok, I'll try again....

Right, so you've stated, unequivocally, that self IDing transwomen need to stay the hell out of women's spaces. No penises for you. Got it. We all agree on that then.
But you're also saying that those who have had their genitals removed and are on a very specific hormone regime are absolutely fine by you.
Can you now explain how you are going to tell the difference?
And then, what the next logical step is to keeping those of the biological sex Male, out of women's spaces?

(and definitely women's spaces, because that it what you were referring to at the time, not the hypothetical third space you've had to pivot to...)

And editing to add that the 'Feelz' is very 2021, things have moved on...

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:47

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 10:35

In what way is a male person who has lost their penis and testes and is on exogenous hormones for disease different to the male person who has chosen to do this to fit their philosophical belief?

Why should one of them have access to female single sex spaces and not the other?

Do you understand why I keep posting this question? Please detail EXACTLY how the person you have just declared is not a regular man, is not a regular man?

Just for you, I will repost this. I believe I asked it numerous times @StuckUpPrincess .

It seems really disingenuous now with all the deflections etc.

This is the original question.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:48

DefineHappy · 04/05/2025 08:11

@StuckUpPrincess

I am interested in your response to my post, which referred to your comment that transwomen don’t seem to appear in reporting of attacks/violence/crimes against women. I have copied below in case it was missed:

Those reports you have read, and them not mentioning transgender perpetrators?

The media has been forced (although some have willingly complied) to report transwomen as women, just as women who have been raped have been forced in court to address their attacker as “she” or “her”.

Isla Bryson was referred to in news reporting as she/her with no mention of being transgender. It was only the photographic evidence that displayed the pink leggings that revealed male genitalia that gave any clue about transgender identity or being a transwoman.

If the media is not allowed to call a transwoman (biological male) a transwoman or a trans-identified male, then how would anyone know if the perpetrator is a woman, a transwoman or a cross dressing male?

Also, the police and courts have been instrumental in blurring and compromising statistics and reporting of crimes by transgender people (mainly transwomen (biological males)), as they have insisted on classifying any self-identified male as a woman or female (so TW are recorded as female by police, prosecuted as women, sentenced as women and incarcerated as women - when they are not).

But I haven't seen lots of reports of sex attacks against women by women, either. Just the usual - a man attacking a woman.

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 11:49

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:37

I didn't read much news last week.

If we are still subject to the ECHR, why did the SC rule this way?

I'm not a British subject, but I know the role of the United Kingdom Supreme Court. It is the highest court in the United Kingdom. It rules on matters of UK law. Being the Supreme court there is no higher UK court to appeal to.

The European Court of Human Rights is an international court that rules on matters of human rights.
One of the founding countries was the United Kingdom.
It is not the same as the EU.

WinterFoxes · 04/05/2025 11:49

She is so grounded, fair, lucid and articulate.

Her best prose is her rational activist commentary. HP is a genius invention but it never had this precision.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 11:50

McLennonK · 04/05/2025 08:15

So what is the solution for someone like me whose child is absolutely certain that they are the gender opposite to that on their birth certificate? Sdo I just ignore their feelings? Treat them like they are mentally ill? Tell them they are just falling for some 'myth'? While my child threatens to self harm if they are forced to carry on in the gender that feels completely wrong to them? I simply don't know what to think, and JKR and these extreme anti-trans people make me frantic with worry for my child.

It would be good, instead of ranting against trans people and their supporters, if JKR and her ilk could offer some real solutions.

I wonder why your child feels that way?

Kids can wish to flee their birth sex for many reasons: being gay in a homophobic environment, being autistic and failing to cope with society's gendered expectations for their sex, a perceived "fix" for underlying mental health problems, envy of the social norms for the opposite sex, a desire for the attention that comes from being trans, and a desire to avoid sexual assault and harassment all spring to mind.

If your child isn't seeing CAMHS, they should be.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:51

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:42

What was your question? "Do I see that I'm illogical because there's an illness which has the same treatment that TW get but I don't see those patients as TW?" (paraphrasing)

No. Firstly, because I know of no disease that has the exact same treatment that a trans woman gets, and secondly, because it's not just about the treatment that your body gets, it's also about deeply wanting to be the opposite sex. Which presumably, your hypothetical patient does not want to be and does not feel himself to be.

So it now come down to someone’s ’deeply wanting’ to be the opposite sex that makes them not just like any other man?

Is that what you believe? That a male person who really really wants to be a woman is no longer a man?

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 11:53

Regarding De Beauvoir......a man can become a woman in the same way that you or I can become Cruella Deville, Spider Man, Wonder Woman or the Joker if we cos play hard enough:

"Cosplay is a popular hobby where enthusiasts dress up as characters from various media like movies, TV shows, books, and video games. It's a form of creative expression and performance art......“Cosplay allows enthusiasts to momentarily change their identity in order to create an exciting, extraordinary and contented self"

Women can "woman it up" as much as anyone....but it is important not to mistake the costume or the performance for the reality.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:53

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:48

But I haven't seen lots of reports of sex attacks against women by women, either. Just the usual - a man attacking a woman.

Lol.
So now we've got:
'I've never seen a report of a woman sexually attacking a woman'
'I've never heard of a disease requiring removal of the genitals and hormone therapy'
'I've never heard of someone claiming to be transracial'

I SEE NO SHIPS!

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:54

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:51

So it now come down to someone’s ’deeply wanting’ to be the opposite sex that makes them not just like any other man?

Is that what you believe? That a male person who really really wants to be a woman is no longer a man?

I really really really want to be a shark.

Therefore I am a shark. You cant prove I'm not. Except for by fin inspection and using biology.

That's discrimination and grossly unfair.

This is the level of logic we are at.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 11:56

Allotmentblackfly · 04/05/2025 11:33

Yes, I wasn't being exact. But I think gender is meaningful even if it is a social construct.
Gender is biopsychosocial - it is influenced by your :
-biology (male, female, intersex (it does happen), hormonal status, brain anatomy and physiology),
-psychology (psychological traits vary between male and female - normal distributions which overlap), and
-social constructs - ( the attitudes and expectations of society towards both genders)

So sex (biology ) is a part of gender. Gender gender is a wider entity but no less real.

There’s no such thing as intersex, people with DSD’s do not refer to themselves in this way and are undeniably male or female.

So if I don’t have a gender identity, which I don’t, am I not real? If GI suddenly became a nonsense tomorrow (we can only hope) what would that indicate? You can call yourself what you like, you can identify as a paper bag for all I care, but the one consistent thing that is irrefutably immutable is your natal sex.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 11:56

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:48

But I haven't seen lots of reports of sex attacks against women by women, either. Just the usual - a man attacking a woman.

Yep I have lots of statistics of reports in toilets.

Which of course is why the safest toilets are single sex toilets with door gaps.

edit: how many times do I have to say it?

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:56

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:54

I really really really want to be a shark.

Therefore I am a shark. You cant prove I'm not. Except for by fin inspection and using biology.

That's discrimination and grossly unfair.

This is the level of logic we are at.

I'd quite like to be a billionaire.

(Wonder if JKR could help with that?)

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 11:56

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:53

Lol.
So now we've got:
'I've never seen a report of a woman sexually attacking a woman'
'I've never heard of a disease requiring removal of the genitals and hormone therapy'
'I've never heard of someone claiming to be transracial'

I SEE NO SHIPS!

'I've never heard of a disease requiring removal of the genitals and hormone therapy'

I am quite sure that there are many male cancer sufferers out there who are surprised about that. I think it was at this point that I realised there is no point in going further.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:57

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:48

But I haven't seen lots of reports of sex attacks against women by women, either. Just the usual - a man attacking a woman.

Says the person you have just actively admitted they haven't been paying attention to the news over the course of the last week.

I think this admission of not paying attention to the news, means you are a pretty unreliable source when it comes to where there's been cases like this.

Don'tcha think?

(Tilts head).

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 11:57

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:54

I really really really want to be a shark.

Therefore I am a shark. You cant prove I'm not. Except for by fin inspection and using biology.

That's discrimination and grossly unfair.

This is the level of logic we are at.

Of course you’re a shark, I thought everyone knew that! Some people eh?

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:58

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:56

I'd quite like to be a billionaire.

(Wonder if JKR could help with that?)

Actually I want to be a billionaire shark.

Loansharks are sharks.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:59

Oh god, I've just realised - I've been going around thinking I would only quite like to be a billionaire. I should have been going around really genuinely believing I was a billionaire. I feel such a fool.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 12:01

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:27

Well, in my culture, a TW would come and sit on the women's side of the temple, no longer the men's side. And she would have to learn to make challah bread. And also cover her hair in the temple. Quite different to living as a man.

The idea that there's a men's side and a woman's side of the temple, preventing families from worshipping together, doesn't strike you as sexist? That women have to cover their hair but men don't doesn't strike you as sexist? That women being obliged to bake but men being exempt from that duty doesn't strike you as sexist?

You've literally proved the point that trans ideology is all about imposing sexist roles and stereotypes.

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