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JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:50

Lostcat · 04/05/2025 01:32

Of course there are options.

For a start what you are saying isn’t even the law.

Second, even if it were the law, there would still be options. They tried to implement apartheid in South Africa, but it did not last.

And now we’re playing TRA bingo!! Apartheid ffs, give your head a wobble.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:53

Lostcat · 04/05/2025 01:38

By "transgenderism" I mean: the belief that a person can be transgender

so you mean you mean that you think “being transgender” is a belief. ? Trans people are just make believe? There’s no such thing as actually being trans, there’s only a belief that you are transgender?

By Jove I think you’ve got it!

notanothernamechange24 · 04/05/2025 03:53

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 03:29

I wasn't aware that the surgery rates were so low. It makes sense considering that it's major surgery, which is frightening and painful, with a high risk of post-surgical complications.

I know there are bad actors, but it doesn't seem fair that harmless trans people are lumped in with them and told that they can't use female loos and changing rooms because of them.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now, because the SC has said that only biological females can use female loos, so even if they had had the surgery and a GRC, they still wouldn't be allowed. (I know nobody's checking people as they go into the loos, but a TW is presumably putting herself at risk of prosecution if she uses the female loos and is challenged, even if she's had surgery and has a GRC.)

I suppose trans people will just have to try clothes on at home, always make sure there's a disabled loo or a unisex loo, and change in a loo cubicle of their bio sex if they want to go swimming.

As to prisons, wards, and shelters, I don't think transwomen who have intact male genitalia should be allowed in those spaces, and they should be on permanent hormone therapy as well. I do think that a fully transitioned TW can be abused and assaulted by a male partner, who is likely to be stronger than the TW and who would also have the potential to rape her as he would have a penis and she would not.

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I hate to break it to you but life ant fair! I and many on here do feel a great deal of empathy for individuals with genuine gender dysphoria. But their rights do not trump womens rights.
There are many many people on this planet who have issues with the body they were born in. Not least those with disabilities which excludes them from certain aspects of life. They are accommodated as best as possible by reasonable adjustments. But not where it compromises the safety of themselves or others. For example someone with uncontrolled epilepsy is not able to drive - which massively restricts their lives. Is that fair? No of course it isn’t! Does that mean it’s wrong? 99% of the time I bet they would safely drive from A to B. But we don’t allow it because of the risk.

The only workable solution is third spaces. That is the reasonable adjustment here.

SinnerBoy · 04/05/2025 03:54

...I find both sides of this debate to be extremist and unreasonable, including both the TRAs and JK Rowling.

They are in no way comparable, one side is and has long been vile, abusive, threatening, bullying and engaged in physical violence. The other has defended itself verbally.

There simply is no equivalence.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:56

Lostcat · 04/05/2025 01:42

Have you read the book? Or are you just assuming you know what it’s about?

Edited

Next on the TRA bingo card - patronising women! Tick ✔️

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 03:56

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:48

That’s nice that you believe them, and you may think you’re being kind but you’re not. Affirming someone’s delusions isn’t helpful and actually makes them worse. Reality is the antidote to this insidious ideology, not affirmation.

I think to say that all trans people are delusional is an extreme position. And I think trans people know that they are not the opposite sex, but it's that they want to be.

I mean, trans people do exist and live ordinary lives as their chosen opposite sex to the one they were born. Some have lived good, useful, regular lives as the sex opposite their bio sex for decades. So I don't see how you can say they are all delusional. Someone suffering from delusions would not be able to live a regular life, holding down a job, a marriage, etc. as many trans people have. Before all this rabble-rousing of all the trans extremists, they went largely unnoticed.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:57

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 04/05/2025 01:42

To be honest it’s not compatible with my dignity as a woman either. None of this is dignified for anyone. There is no dignity in fascism.

Second, even if it were the law, there would still be options. They tried to implement apartheid in South Africa, but it did not last.

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StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 04:00

notanothernamechange24 · 04/05/2025 03:53

I hate to break it to you but life ant fair! I and many on here do feel a great deal of empathy for individuals with genuine gender dysphoria. But their rights do not trump womens rights.
There are many many people on this planet who have issues with the body they were born in. Not least those with disabilities which excludes them from certain aspects of life. They are accommodated as best as possible by reasonable adjustments. But not where it compromises the safety of themselves or others. For example someone with uncontrolled epilepsy is not able to drive - which massively restricts their lives. Is that fair? No of course it isn’t! Does that mean it’s wrong? 99% of the time I bet they would safely drive from A to B. But we don’t allow it because of the risk.

The only workable solution is third spaces. That is the reasonable adjustment here.

I agree that third spaces would be the best thing, absolutely. But the world doesn't seem very keen to do that.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 04:06

SinnerBoy · 04/05/2025 03:54

...I find both sides of this debate to be extremist and unreasonable, including both the TRAs and JK Rowling.

They are in no way comparable, one side is and has long been vile, abusive, threatening, bullying and engaged in physical violence. The other has defended itself verbally.

There simply is no equivalence.

That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, obviously, and represents the crazy fringe of the trans community.

Verbal defence is very powerful; it resulted in the SC ruling.

Third spaces would be the ideal, but the world doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to create them, unfortunately.

notanothernamechange24 · 04/05/2025 04:06

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 04:00

I agree that third spaces would be the best thing, absolutely. But the world doesn't seem very keen to do that.

That’s because nobody is pushing for it. If the TRA community had been pushing that for the past decade instead of muscling in on woman’s rights then they would have got a lot further.

Look at how the disabled community have pushed for changing place disabled facilities over the past decade! There so much more common now than they were even 5 years ago.

Politicians and Business will provide the facilities if they are wanted and pushed for. But they will always take the cheapest option and if the third space isn’t pushed for they won’t just spontaneously provide it.

notanothernamechange24 · 04/05/2025 04:12

notanothernamechange24 · 04/05/2025 04:06

That’s because nobody is pushing for it. If the TRA community had been pushing that for the past decade instead of muscling in on woman’s rights then they would have got a lot further.

Look at how the disabled community have pushed for changing place disabled facilities over the past decade! There so much more common now than they were even 5 years ago.

Politicians and Business will provide the facilities if they are wanted and pushed for. But they will always take the cheapest option and if the third space isn’t pushed for they won’t just spontaneously provide it.

Added to which I bet there is a lot of people on this very thread who would have willingly advocated for the third spaces and stood alongside the Trans community to push for third spaces. Quite possibly including the likes of Jo Rowling! If the argument had been about making third spaces. But instead the Trans community have alienated a lot of people who would have been allies.

Marieb19 · 04/05/2025 04:19

I always wondered how supposedly intelligent people fell for this cult. But she is right that "Some ideas are so stupid only the academics beleive them." I suppose if Hitler could convince an entire country that the Jews were to blame for all their ills, then it is understandable that Stonewall managed to convince craven politicians and facile medics & celebrities that women are not worthy of their rights and any man who demands it, must be treated as such.

GreenFriedTomato · 04/05/2025 04:28

Beebop2025 · 03/05/2025 21:27

Meanwhile a TRA is now defining trans people as an ethnic group.

https://x.com/Gaynotqueer1/status/1918581801439621160

Correction: WOMENS football, cricket loos and changing rooms.

MarzipanAndFrenchFancies · 04/05/2025 05:02

JK Rowling has such a strong and eloquent writing style, it is something time behold.
And she nails it.

SpidersAreShitheads · 04/05/2025 05:23

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 03:29

I wasn't aware that the surgery rates were so low. It makes sense considering that it's major surgery, which is frightening and painful, with a high risk of post-surgical complications.

I know there are bad actors, but it doesn't seem fair that harmless trans people are lumped in with them and told that they can't use female loos and changing rooms because of them.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now, because the SC has said that only biological females can use female loos, so even if they had had the surgery and a GRC, they still wouldn't be allowed. (I know nobody's checking people as they go into the loos, but a TW is presumably putting herself at risk of prosecution if she uses the female loos and is challenged, even if she's had surgery and has a GRC.)

I suppose trans people will just have to try clothes on at home, always make sure there's a disabled loo or a unisex loo, and change in a loo cubicle of their bio sex if they want to go swimming.

As to prisons, wards, and shelters, I don't think transwomen who have intact male genitalia should be allowed in those spaces, and they should be on permanent hormone therapy as well. I do think that a fully transitioned TW can be abused and assaulted by a male partner, who is likely to be stronger than the TW and who would also have the potential to rape her as he would have a penis and she would not.

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It is a shockingly low statistic. To be fair, the operation sounds horrific both in the amputation of the penis and in the simulated vagina that’s created. I’ve read some first-hand accounts from those who have been through the surgery and it’s not a vagina, or even close to it. I feel desperately sorry for those who were misled.

But I wanted to come back to you on this point: you said it wasn’t fair on harmless trans people for them to be lumped in with others.

Can I ask: do you apply the same logic to men? Because the same applies. We know there are many, many lovely men but we keep them all out because a small minority are violent and rapey.

I’m going to attach an image showing the proportion of trans women who are sex offenders. It’s shockingly high. Much higher than the general male population.

So the question again: we all agree it’s ok to keep general men out, but trans women who have a higher statistical probability of being a sex offender, we should take our chances there?

It’s not unkind to generalise. We do it with other groups - why should the trans community get special treatment?

Interesting you mention TW having male partners. I don’t have the stats handy but many TW are attracted to women. “Lesbians”. So very few will be in a relationship with a man so very few will face domestic violence.

Even fewer will be subjected to male violence from a stranger. In the U.K. we aren’t seeing cases of TW being attacked/raped/killed. That only happens to women - and sometimes TW are the perpetrators.

Trans women can use the male facilities, or use gender neutral facilities, of which there are an increasing number. They’ll be safe in either.

The idea that they’ll just have to stay home is massively overblown.

Also, there are many people who already face these difficulties for reasons unrelated to gender ideology. I have a 15 year old disabled son in nappies. There are very few disabled toilets with facilities to change him.

Do you know what my community has been doing? Campaigning for facilities. We’ve been doing it for years. We don’t have the option of just using another space; we literally have no facilities to use in most cases.

No one seems to care much about our lack of access, only biological men who are demanding access to women’s spaces get public sympathy.

Another interesting fact is that when third spaces are offered, many trans women get angry and/or refuse them. They demand access to women’s spaces, and nothing else is acceptable.

It’s just all so frustrating. There’s many of us who would willingly be allies - but not when the movement en masse continues to deride and speak over us as women. Respect and kindness go two ways - they expect it but aren’t ever willing to return it in our direction.

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
AzurePanda · 04/05/2025 05:30

I’m always puzzled by the assertion that it isn’t safe for trans women to use male facilities ; as @SpidersAreShitheads alludes to, are there any documented cases of men attacking transwomen in male facilities in the UK? I certainly haven’t come across any.

CallMeBettyBoop · 04/05/2025 05:32

JKR is my heroine. Just awesome.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 05:52

facts6754 · 03/05/2025 22:22

Oh for gods sake… do you really think people would MEDICALLY TRANSITION and go through YEARS of medical and social transitioning to assault women???? it doesnt stop cis men from doing it so i want whatever you guys are smoking.

  1. Medical transition isn't a requirement for protection under EA protected characteristics of gender reassignment.
  2. Medical transition isn't a requirement under all the unlawful workplace self-id-based toilet and changing room policies.
  3. Medical transition isn't a requirement under unlawful NHS self-id-based accommodation policies.
Men don't have to medically transition to claim to be trans. They just have to say that they are trans.
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 05:57

socialdilemmawhattodo · 03/05/2025 22:27

Love that woman to bits. But I will say she has had her head over the parapet for sometime. I've also not been shy to say publicly what I think. There are plenty on here however who have hidden. Time now ladies or gents to come out publicly and be counted.

It's easy to say that when you don't work in a captured employer in a captured sector.

Me staying quiet keeps me earning, which lets me contribute to the crowdfunders of the brave women bringing test cases.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 06:25

SpidersAreShitheads · 04/05/2025 05:23

It is a shockingly low statistic. To be fair, the operation sounds horrific both in the amputation of the penis and in the simulated vagina that’s created. I’ve read some first-hand accounts from those who have been through the surgery and it’s not a vagina, or even close to it. I feel desperately sorry for those who were misled.

But I wanted to come back to you on this point: you said it wasn’t fair on harmless trans people for them to be lumped in with others.

Can I ask: do you apply the same logic to men? Because the same applies. We know there are many, many lovely men but we keep them all out because a small minority are violent and rapey.

I’m going to attach an image showing the proportion of trans women who are sex offenders. It’s shockingly high. Much higher than the general male population.

So the question again: we all agree it’s ok to keep general men out, but trans women who have a higher statistical probability of being a sex offender, we should take our chances there?

It’s not unkind to generalise. We do it with other groups - why should the trans community get special treatment?

Interesting you mention TW having male partners. I don’t have the stats handy but many TW are attracted to women. “Lesbians”. So very few will be in a relationship with a man so very few will face domestic violence.

Even fewer will be subjected to male violence from a stranger. In the U.K. we aren’t seeing cases of TW being attacked/raped/killed. That only happens to women - and sometimes TW are the perpetrators.

Trans women can use the male facilities, or use gender neutral facilities, of which there are an increasing number. They’ll be safe in either.

The idea that they’ll just have to stay home is massively overblown.

Also, there are many people who already face these difficulties for reasons unrelated to gender ideology. I have a 15 year old disabled son in nappies. There are very few disabled toilets with facilities to change him.

Do you know what my community has been doing? Campaigning for facilities. We’ve been doing it for years. We don’t have the option of just using another space; we literally have no facilities to use in most cases.

No one seems to care much about our lack of access, only biological men who are demanding access to women’s spaces get public sympathy.

Another interesting fact is that when third spaces are offered, many trans women get angry and/or refuse them. They demand access to women’s spaces, and nothing else is acceptable.

It’s just all so frustrating. There’s many of us who would willingly be allies - but not when the movement en masse continues to deride and speak over us as women. Respect and kindness go two ways - they expect it but aren’t ever willing to return it in our direction.

This 👆

TimeForATerf · 04/05/2025 06:32

StuckUpPrincess · 03/05/2025 23:56

I find JK and the court ruling to be transphobic. While I don't think that transwomen should compete in women's sports, and I think that only trans people who have obtained GRCs should be allowed to use the women's loos and changing rooms, I also think it's awful to treat transpeople as if they don't exist. And that's what the UK Supreme Court ruling does. If someone who has fully transitioned can't use the women's loos and changing rooms, where are they meant to go? They'll get beaten up and harassed if they use the men's. But no one seems to care about that. They do exist and always have, and lots of transwomen will have used the loos with you and you're none the wiser.

I think what it comes down to is that JK and people who agree with her do not believe that there is any such thing as a genuine transwoman. That is, someone who feels that they are a woman inside, transitions to be female as far as is possible, just wants to continue with their lives, and has no interest whatsoever in doing anything harmful towards anyone.

JK and her followers seem to believe that every transwoman is some pervert in disguise and that they can't possibly be genuine.

I strongly disagree.

Come on mate, bring yourself up to speed, do you still wear clothes from 2015 too? It’s time for you to start reading a bit more and put those skinnies in the charity bag.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 06:33

Waitwhat23 · 03/05/2025 22:54

Thinking of the various women's rights meetings and rallies which have taken place over the last few years, just off the top of my head, a TRA spat in the faces of attendees of a film screening at the UoE, a woman was punched in the face at Speakers Corner, Posie Parker had soup thrown in her face at Let Women Speak event, another women had milkshake thrown at her at another event, a woman received bruises to her face at one of the most recent protests. Women have been kettled at events and feared for their own safety, have been unable to access buildings because TRA's have used their bodies as barriers, and survivors of violence had panic attacks at meetings which TRA's had surrounded to drown out and intimidate women. Women have had to hire private security or set up their own female security organisations to protect women from angry TRA's at public meetings because the Police have shrugged their shoulders at the idea of VAWG if the victims are women who believe in the importance of single sex spaces.

We've had our elected representatives pictured smirking under placards which state 'decapitate terfs'. We've seen placards saying 'the only good terf is a dead terf' being displayed at the most recent protests with no police action taken. We've seen extremely violent threats made against women on various social media platforms (including gun threats) with little to no action taken. These threats, when exposed, are often handwaved away as 'a joke'.

Torture in a physical sense - no. But threats of violence and actual violence against women is a feature of gender ideology - essentially a main doctrine is that if women won't shut up, they must be made to shut up.

WPUK received a credible bomb threat in Brighton.

BeethovenNinth · 04/05/2025 06:38

I don’t think anyone wants a fully transitioned trans women to have to share men’s toilets

but what JKR is saying that it’s not for women to have to sort that out

with more and more people dabbling in being trans, we do need more third types of toilets. And I’m sorry but trans men can’t compete in women’s sport not provide intimate care. Live as you wish but there are limits

the one genuine trans woman I know just wants to quietly live her new life and doesn’t want in our toilets anyway!!!

DefineHappy · 04/05/2025 06:40

SnoopyPajamas · 04/05/2025 01:58

Why are they like this? When you ask someone "what is a table?" they don't summon a room full of scholars and debate it 😂

"What is a woman?"

"Hold on, let me assemble the conclave"

Pink smoke or blue?

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 06:45

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 03:56

I think to say that all trans people are delusional is an extreme position. And I think trans people know that they are not the opposite sex, but it's that they want to be.

I mean, trans people do exist and live ordinary lives as their chosen opposite sex to the one they were born. Some have lived good, useful, regular lives as the sex opposite their bio sex for decades. So I don't see how you can say they are all delusional. Someone suffering from delusions would not be able to live a regular life, holding down a job, a marriage, etc. as many trans people have. Before all this rabble-rousing of all the trans extremists, they went largely unnoticed.

What definition of delusion are you basing this on? What makes you think people with delusions don't have jobs and marriages?

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