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I'm not sure Jo Maugham is quite well

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ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 20:37

https://goodlawproject.org/we-have-been-given-a-huge-responsibility/

He's taking all your hundreds of thousands of pounds, but he can't tell you what he's doing with it cause seckrit.

And he knows all the best seckrit people who are humungosly good lawyers.

And he's got a skeleton key to the morals of the universe! By the power of Transkull!

‘We have been given a huge responsibility’ | Good Law Project

A message from our executive director, Jolyon Maugham, to the trans community.

https://goodlawproject.org/we-have-been-given-a-huge-responsibility/

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2025 09:13

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 09:02

They in turn were lead quietly by a small group of individuals.

I'd argue that a cult only needs a charismatic leader in the startup stage. The gradual move from cult to denomination coincides with a shift from charismatic authority (in the Weberian sense) to bureacratic authority.

Most members of Jehovah's Witnesses couldn't tell you who the current members of the Governing Body are. Mormonism since 1830 has moved from the charismatic leadership of Joseph Smith to quiet and boring governance by a committee of elderly Salt Lake City corporate lawyers.

This is quite strange because, in the case of the trans movement, we've got something that developed mostly behind the scenes and led by quiet anonymous lobbyists. The move into street activism is a much newer thing, not really connected to organisations like Stonewall (I'd say it's a function of the breakdown of bureaucratic authority), and lots of the current wild ideological assertions of the movement are not the sort of thing that Press for Change were saying 20 years ago.

We might say the movement precedes the existence of a charismatic leader and generates the demand for a charismatic leader. I'm sure historians of religion can think of a parallel.

So where might the movement go with a quixotic and whimsical individual leading it?

Also see Scientology.

BunfightBetty · 02/05/2025 09:15

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2025 08:07

We have been given a huge responsibility.
Word Salad to English Translation: We have identified a huge gap in the market for scamming vulnerable people

You, the trans community, impoverished by a Labour government which is working for a world in which one cannot be trans and flourish, have nevertheless entrusted us with many hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Word Salad to English Translation: We need to shit on you by telling you, you are worthless so we can exploit you. We are deliberately trying to tap into your insecurities and lack of confidence. Believe in us, we have your best interests at heart whilst we tell you that you can't possibly achieve anything in life. In no way is this grooming you by telling you we are the solution to your unhappiness.

I know how hard much of this money has been to earn because you have told me. And we must spend it wisely.
Word Salad to English Translation: Lookie, I'm referring to YOUR money as if it's OUR money. Nothing odd or creepy or coercive to see here.* *Honest gov.

I want to emphasise this because we will need your trust.
Word Salad to English Translation: When you are being groomed being told about trust is a massive red flag. Normal people don't ask you to trust them. They don't need to. Their actions speak for themselves.

JK Rowling is, in this life at least, accountable to no one for how she spends her billions.
Word Salad to English Translation: I have inserted an obligatory reference to the Trans BogieWoman in order to convince you I am on your side.

We must explain ourselves to you. But sometimes, for us to tell you about litigation we are supporting will be the wrong thing to do. To give our cases the best chance of succeeding – in a world in which parts of the judiciary are conspicuously hostile to us and the trans community – they must happen away from the limelight. We will tell you about them when we can but that will sometimes be when they are over.
Word Salad to English Translation: After saying JKRowling is unaccountable to others. I suggest we are accountable before immediately pulling away that point and saying the exact opposite in the hope you don't notice. I give a shit excuse for this lack of accountability. Remember when the teacher told you to be wary about the adult who tells you they have a big secret? Well this still applies. This is a red flag.

But we will not be idle.

We have teams engaged and working on about twenty legal initiatives. We are involved in one case which is already before the courts. We are convening a group of trans-led organisations to try and ameliorate some of the downsides of this work being done by a cis-led organisation.
Word Salad to English Translation: We can't count or tell you about these super secret plans. Instead we will blind you with Maggie Chapman App generated words to make us look clever and important, and of course, on your side.* *

We have convened a group of highly qualified solicitors and barristers who want to work on trans cases for free or at ‘friendly’ rates.
Word Salad to English Translation: We are either exploiting them or they are fanatics with an agenda to push too.

We have instructed an expert team to produce legal advice on what the Supreme Court’s decision means.
Word Salad to English Translation: We have openings for creative writers who had their shit book rejected by publishers and then screech about how life isn't fair because it's better than JKRs.

We will produce guidance for the trans community – and those who don’t cohere to patriarchal archetypes – on what to do if they are challenged for using the spaces that align with their sex.
Word Salad to English Translation: We will lie to you so you part with your cash.

We are hiring a discrimination lawyer.
Word Salad to English Translation: They couldn't get a job at a reputable firm which pays well. They work for peanuts and see this as an opportunity to make a name for themselves whilst learning how to grift.

We have employed a leading journalist to talk of the pain caused by the Supreme Court’s clumsy social engineering.
Word Salad to English Translation: We have hired a failed journalist as a propagandist who doesn't understand law to confuse the public

We are producing pro forma legal letters for when trans and gender nonconforming men and women are forced into the wrong spaces.
Word Salad to English Translation: We intend to help trans people get the sack and to abet them into circumnavigating safeguarding protocols which could potentially put the public at risk from someone who does actually have criminal intent.

This is some of what we have done already.

Zooming out for a second, it remains clear that we are no longer compliant with our obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.
Word Salad to English Translation: We aren't actually going to explain this. It's a great sound bite to suck you in though and pretend there's injustice here. We are feeding on your grievances.

Perhaps Labour no longer cares about this – the so-called justice secretary Shabana Mahmood has started to use the language of the right in how she talks about the Convention.
Word Salad to English Translation: Biggly! Did you see this? I hope you are paying attention at the back. Jolyon just did a Trump. Yep he did. The only other prominent person who uses the phrase "so called" on a regular basis to try and discredit his political opponents is Good Old Donnie. Yet here is Jo, who regularly accuses everyone else of using far right tactics, using one straight out of the Great Orange One's playbook himself. If you aren't marking this one as a big red flag, you should.

But ultimately this is the question our work must confront the Government with. Is Labour’s desire to eradicate trans people from public life greater even than its attachment to international human rights norms?
Word Salad to English Translation: Dear Reader, human rights norms are to treat all people as equals. This includes women and homosexuals. It is not a norm to put one group on a pedestal and say they can do no wrong. Whilst simultaneously saying this group is incapable of achieving (see above put downs and exploitation of lack of confidence). Dear Reader, Mr Maugham is lining himself up here in a classic way - "Only I can save you and help you from salvation. Without my help you are doomed to persecution and exploitation". Are you starting to feel uncomfortable yet? If this sounds sinister, they'd be a reason for that.

I get thanked a lot for standing up for the trans community.
Word Salad to English Translation: Oh look we've finally hit the "I" word, in which the hero of our story, places himself front and centre on a pedestal. Nothing to see here.

In fact, the thanks run the other way. I wrote, in ‘Bringing Down Goliath’ (Penguin, 2024), about how advocacy for trans people has opened my eyes to how the world is for people without my privilege.
Word Salad to English Translation: Let's get to the point. I'm here for the profit. I've got a book to flog. And after I've made my sales pitch, I need to follow it up with the humility routine to tone it down. My snake oil needs to do the usual routine of shouting "I am the Messiah. I'm humble like him too, I promise".

The work has given me “a skeleton key to a whole new moral universe”.
Word Salad to English Translation: It's not a cult. Jolyon doesn't want to be an alternative moral cult leader whose firmly in it for the money and power / ego trip. Oh no. Jolyon is just doing it because it's morally just the right thing to do.

I'll get my tenner across to you very soon Fantastic Mr Fox.

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💯 👌

I’d like to see this posted under his ridiculous video, everywhere.

DeanElderberry · 02/05/2025 09:17

You're all the very mean. The highly qualified solicitors and barristers go to another school, so how could we know them?

DrudgeJedd · 02/05/2025 09:26

Some excellent work on this thread, he really is a pompous man.
At this point I'm wondering what on earth the other 40+ staff at the GLP do all day? Obviously not proof read his rants social media posts, they're probably trying to get the passwords off him or are on LinkedIn looking for a new job.

Look Jolyon, I also know how frustrating it was to miss out on an Easter holiday this year because of the DC's looming A-levels. Why not do a short yoga retreat instead of becoming a human pressure cooker?

Darkgreendarkbark · 02/05/2025 09:54

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 09:02

They in turn were lead quietly by a small group of individuals.

I'd argue that a cult only needs a charismatic leader in the startup stage. The gradual move from cult to denomination coincides with a shift from charismatic authority (in the Weberian sense) to bureacratic authority.

Most members of Jehovah's Witnesses couldn't tell you who the current members of the Governing Body are. Mormonism since 1830 has moved from the charismatic leadership of Joseph Smith to quiet and boring governance by a committee of elderly Salt Lake City corporate lawyers.

This is quite strange because, in the case of the trans movement, we've got something that developed mostly behind the scenes and led by quiet anonymous lobbyists. The move into street activism is a much newer thing, not really connected to organisations like Stonewall (I'd say it's a function of the breakdown of bureaucratic authority), and lots of the current wild ideological assertions of the movement are not the sort of thing that Press for Change were saying 20 years ago.

We might say the movement precedes the existence of a charismatic leader and generates the demand for a charismatic leader. I'm sure historians of religion can think of a parallel.

So where might the movement go with a quixotic and whimsical individual leading it?

This is really interesting. I wonder if the internet has basically disrupted the cult model. I'd question the idea that gender ideology at its current stage generates a demand for a leader. It's way too big now for one person; it's global and embedded in institutions. What one person could live up to it? They would just be a bottleneck and a single point of failure, I think. A liability. A would-be wizard of Oz behind a curtain, in an age where an individual's image is hard to control. I think it's simply a cult or mass delusion that's so big that it generates its own market, where there's ample room for people like Jolyon to set up shop and jump on their soapbox.

It's also an ideology of pure individualism. It's not like a classic cult where one person claims to be a portal to the truth. It's an ideology which says each person's feelings are king. TRAs hate the idea that anyone can speak for them, or attempt to define the ideology.

nauticant · 02/05/2025 10:32

At the height of the South Sea Bubble, all kinds of mad companies sprung up including one named: A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is.

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2025 10:32

An interesting anecdote - the founder of what is now 'Triratna' - the UK's largest Buddhist group - Dennis Lingwood, was an abusive predator.

When people were raising concerns about some of his behaviour and the 'cult' concern was raised, some people reasoned that it couldn't possibly be a cult because he was so personally uncompelling he was the opposite of charismatic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/21/sangharakshita-guru-triratna-buddhist-dark-secrets

Buddhist, teacher, predator: dark secrets of the Triratna guru

British-born guru Sangharakshita was mired in allegations of abuse for years. Now it seems the scandal in his wealthy order went far wider than previously acknowledged

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/21/sangharakshita-guru-triratna-buddhist-dark-secrets

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/05/2025 10:35

The South Sea Bubble is an excellent comparison.

borntobequiet · 02/05/2025 10:37

Literally every man I have known who was into Druidism, other pagan stuff or religion bigtime (and I’m in my seventies so have met quite a few, especially when I was young) has been an absolute bastard misogynist, and often a wannabe or actual sexual predator.

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2025 10:39

borntobequiet · 02/05/2025 10:37

Literally every man I have known who was into Druidism, other pagan stuff or religion bigtime (and I’m in my seventies so have met quite a few, especially when I was young) has been an absolute bastard misogynist, and often a wannabe or actual sexual predator.

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Vulnerable, damaged people are often attracted to religion. Predators know this very well.

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PaintDecisions · 02/05/2025 10:59

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Withdrawn by MNHQ - details method of self harm.

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 12:05

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2025 10:32

An interesting anecdote - the founder of what is now 'Triratna' - the UK's largest Buddhist group - Dennis Lingwood, was an abusive predator.

When people were raising concerns about some of his behaviour and the 'cult' concern was raised, some people reasoned that it couldn't possibly be a cult because he was so personally uncompelling he was the opposite of charismatic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/21/sangharakshita-guru-triratna-buddhist-dark-secrets

I think there are elements of this in social outlier groups, even if the leader isn't a predator himself.

Far left politics in the UK basically descends from three men who were active in the Trotskyist movement in the 1940s - Gerry Healy (WRP), Ted Grant (Militant) and Tony Cliff (SWP).

Healy, it's well known by now, was a serial rapist whose group came to resemble those weird incestuous cults you get in rural Utah. Though he did manage to hoodwink a large part of the UK acting profession into joining his group, which prejudices me against actors preaching politics.

I don't think that can be said about either Cliff or Grant. I know that Cliff occasionally had affairs with younger female members, but I've never heard a whisper of that being non-consensual and very few SWP members will even have even heard rumours of those affairs. Grant was rumoured to be gay, but I think he was basically asexual - I've never heard of him having any intimate relationships at all.

Healy is before my time, but I wouldn't say either Cliff or Grant was "charismatic" in a conventional sense. They both had a rather offbeat mad scientist air about them, which some people found appealing. I'm convinced they were both autistic - that seems to be very common on the political fringes.

The interesting thing is that even the groups who weren't led by a predator turned out to have chronic problems of sexual predation. I'd speculate that there's a pattern of groups on the fringe of society, attracting young and often quite vulnerable and socially isolated recruits, who see the outside world as hostile and close ranks against whistleblowers.

Full blown cults might be rare and small, but the same features keep popping up in different social groups.

SlipperyLizard · 02/05/2025 12:27

It is clear now (if it wasn’t before) that there needs to be some sort of regulation around litigation crowdfunding, which would include a requirement to accurately describe the case you are trying to bring, the legal basis for it and the advice you have had as to the prospects of its success.

Grifters like Maugham rinsing hundreds of thousands from vulnerable people (not because they are the most marginalised, etc, but because they are foolish enough to fall for his bullshit) with no accountability shouldn’t be tolerated.

He’s a boil on the legal profession.

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 12:36

Jolyon also has this habit of launching his crowdfunder immediately after he's sent his letter before action, but before he's received a reply. So donors will only see his side of the story, and not the respondent saying "Sorry Jolyon, we have read your letter and your claim is baseless for XYZ reasons."

It's not illegal, but it definitely smells like sharp practice and, were he still registered as a barrister, it's the kind of thing the Bar Standards Board might raise an eyebrow at.

Molto · 02/05/2025 13:56

Darkgreendarkbark · 02/05/2025 09:54

This is really interesting. I wonder if the internet has basically disrupted the cult model. I'd question the idea that gender ideology at its current stage generates a demand for a leader. It's way too big now for one person; it's global and embedded in institutions. What one person could live up to it? They would just be a bottleneck and a single point of failure, I think. A liability. A would-be wizard of Oz behind a curtain, in an age where an individual's image is hard to control. I think it's simply a cult or mass delusion that's so big that it generates its own market, where there's ample room for people like Jolyon to set up shop and jump on their soapbox.

It's also an ideology of pure individualism. It's not like a classic cult where one person claims to be a portal to the truth. It's an ideology which says each person's feelings are king. TRAs hate the idea that anyone can speak for them, or attempt to define the ideology.

Agree completely with this. It's a cult of individualism, and if anyone dares to try and speak up for any trans group they immediately get milkshake-ducked and previous Terrible Transgressions will be brought up and they get torn down.

The individual is the supreme truth-knower and the only thing that matters, however much the rhetoric is about 'protecting this vulnerable group'. It's not about the group, otherwise they'd listen to the actually vulnerable talking about what they need. It's about big-voiced men on social media, and usually traumatised women supporting them, telling us all about the 'harms' and 'violence' they faced when people around them didn't manage to twist reality to match whatever they have in their heads that day (fed by others on social media).

No one can lead this because it shape-shifts every day according to the whims and victimhoods of thousands of people online. You can at least give Scientology, Mormonism etc their dues that they have relatively rigid rules (or at least much slower moving).

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2025 14:08

SlipperyLizard · 02/05/2025 12:27

It is clear now (if it wasn’t before) that there needs to be some sort of regulation around litigation crowdfunding, which would include a requirement to accurately describe the case you are trying to bring, the legal basis for it and the advice you have had as to the prospects of its success.

Grifters like Maugham rinsing hundreds of thousands from vulnerable people (not because they are the most marginalised, etc, but because they are foolish enough to fall for his bullshit) with no accountability shouldn’t be tolerated.

He’s a boil on the legal profession.

My only concern about that, is how do you legislate and distinguish because Gardening For A Legitimate Cause and Grifting?

The politics on this become relevant and your unintended consequence might be to make it impossible for good causes to be defended because they are unable to define themselves in law as being different to grifters.

Thats why I would be opposed to this as an idea; you'd do as much harm as good.

There is no substitute for better education about Cults and Exploitation unfortunately.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 02/05/2025 14:23

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I'm not sure Jo Maugham is quite well
Darkgreendarkbark · 02/05/2025 14:29

SlipperyLizard · 02/05/2025 12:27

It is clear now (if it wasn’t before) that there needs to be some sort of regulation around litigation crowdfunding, which would include a requirement to accurately describe the case you are trying to bring, the legal basis for it and the advice you have had as to the prospects of its success.

Grifters like Maugham rinsing hundreds of thousands from vulnerable people (not because they are the most marginalised, etc, but because they are foolish enough to fall for his bullshit) with no accountability shouldn’t be tolerated.

He’s a boil on the legal profession.

I think this is true of crowdfunding in general, isn't it? Anyone can start a crowdfunder, and say it's for a good cause, and it's not regulated at all afaik. Donors can report fraud to the crowdfunding platform, but it's up to the platform to decide whether they get a refund. Caveat emptor.

I think people need to be more aware of what a registered charity is. The Good Law Project is not a registered charity, therefore they are pretty unaccountable. If someone wants to donate to a person or organisation which isn't a registered charity, they need to realise they're taking a risk. For example, regarding vulnerability, charities would have a policy on vulnerable donors, and they are accountable to the Fundraising Regulator and the Charity Commission. That said, it's not black and white - vulnerable people are allowed to spend their money in many ways that we may consider unwise, and making a donation to a cause they believe in might give them a sense of reward that outweighs the cost. And as for foolish people - well, you know what they say about a fool and his money - I have limited sympathy.

I do think, with the Good Law Project, that Jolyon is a true believer with a Messiah complex, rather than a cynical scammer.

SlipperyLizard · 02/05/2025 14:52

@Darkgreendarkbark and @RedToothBrush good points, I certainly wouldn’t want to make it harder for individuals to crowd fund.

I think JM’s behaviour here is appalling, obscuring inconvenient facts to keep the donations rolling in.

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2025 15:00

SlipperyLizard · 02/05/2025 14:52

@Darkgreendarkbark and @RedToothBrush good points, I certainly wouldn’t want to make it harder for individuals to crowd fund.

I think JM’s behaviour here is appalling, obscuring inconvenient facts to keep the donations rolling in.

The key point here:

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you should legislate.
Legislation has its limitations.
And you should never ever lose sight of the unintended consequences of your well intended ideas.

The road to hell is paved with them.

You need to think about practical terms and what you can define in law and what you can't. If you can't make clear and easy distinctions - which are reasonably understandable for law abiding citizens to follow and works in their own interests, you don't make law.

Because its Bad Law that Does More Harm Than Good.

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/05/2025 16:08

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 12:36

Jolyon also has this habit of launching his crowdfunder immediately after he's sent his letter before action, but before he's received a reply. So donors will only see his side of the story, and not the respondent saying "Sorry Jolyon, we have read your letter and your claim is baseless for XYZ reasons."

It's not illegal, but it definitely smells like sharp practice and, were he still registered as a barrister, it's the kind of thing the Bar Standards Board might raise an eyebrow at.

May I ask two questions? Why is he no longer registered as a barrister and, given that he is not, is he still entitled to use the title KC?

CriticalCondition · 02/05/2025 16:59

ArabellaScott · 02/05/2025 15:39

Possible the legal bod involved is the Crash Wigley who wrote this:

https://goodlawproject.org/for-women-scotland-a-legal-critique/

ex Policy and Campaigns officer at Stonewall, 2016-2019.

There was a talk hosted by the LSE Law School last night on the implications of the judgment. The panel members were expert practitioners in the field Akua Reindorf KC, Ben Cooper KC, Naomi Cunningham and Sarah Vine KC.

Someone mentioned this piece by Crash Wigley. Let's just say that these leading lawyers gave it the attention and analysis it deserved.Grin

StrongasSixpence · 02/05/2025 19:29

Crash Wigley is an excellently silly name.

Has anyone considered that GLP is actually just a long running comedy piece? Joly's latest article would certainly fit.

SionnachRuadh · 02/05/2025 19:53

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/05/2025 16:08

May I ask two questions? Why is he no longer registered as a barrister and, given that he is not, is he still entitled to use the title KC?

On both counts I have no idea.

I would think your KC lapses if you're no longer registered, but Jolyon seems to operate in his own reality.