Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

Your petulant post blames everyone for your woes but yourself, the helpless victim of dark forces.

Your child sounds smart. A smart parent would have said "I love you and i trust you, and that's why I don't have to understand why what makes you happy, makes you happy. I have questions" instead of letting your fear and grief radicalise you ("trans identity politics") and drive a bigger wedge between you.

Intolerance destroys families. You're not the first and you won't be the last. It's never too late though, it's just you that has to change.

This is why us queers all love a "boring" coming out story.

I can't believe you think this post reflects well on you and what you stand for.

I guess once you've decided men can be women, every other distortion is easy. And we know there's quite a strong cohort that loves nothing more than alienating children from their parents.

Do you know what @MadBadDaddy , after years of abuse by TRAs, any sympathy I had has been used up. So I honestly find it very hard to care about how you feel anymore. You certainly didn’t (and still don’t) care about our feelings.

Weird user name btw, I wonder what inspired it 🤔

Thanks Arabella, I'm still catching up with the thread, but I am feeling better about things now.

The pushback was inevitable given how viciously the trans lobby has always gone after dissenters. I guess I just felt disappointment at how so many seemingly intelligent people would happily give away women's legal protections. Like those academic 'non-trans' feminists who wrote that open letter. But then you realise what a bubble these women and their luxury beliefs exist in, as evidenced by some of the absolutely daft claims in the letter, as well as all the strawmen arguments (we want to reduce women to their biological functions 🙄).

And I listened to Maya Forstater on the Triggernometry podcast, and I felt awed by her calmness, intelligence and rationality, and I know that amongst all the craziness there will be women like her chipping away and refusing to be cowed.

Unless you are talking about hotdog eating competitions, then you are quite literally making that up, and now you are really angry about it too.

I see a rough road ahead for you and the DD

This is all that needs to be said, really.

I'll be honest. MBD's long howl of rage has cheered me up no end😀Thanks for the thread OP

The LGBT community has no shortage of alienated kids seeking, and finding, a safe refuge. Some were thrown out of their homes with just the clothes on their backs when they came out to their families.

And although I made a point of saying how we all love a dull coming out story, because they are so rare, you still did what you could to make a beast of me. You are proud to be cruel.

I agree, but I think his attempt to exploit a mother's devastation and gleefully blame and taunt her about it was... completely par for the course, actually.

Prejudice flourishes by having someone to look down on. It can help a person feel better about their own miserable existence.

you still did what you could to make a beast of me.

I can't claim any credit for that. You did it without any help.

And if you care about gay kids, support the LGB Alliance. It's the only charity dedicated to supporting exclusively same sex attracted people.

Here's a bit of the lovely Santigold to cheer everyone up.

🤣 So true. You look down on a whole sex-class

Yep, male behaviour from testes to toenails

I'm going to skip a lot of the transperbole in your post. Firstly, the fact is it's the pushback that your group is getting that has resulting in the 'trans' community losing support.

Secondly, please don't use the homophobic word 'que*r'. It won't help you here. Ask any of the gay men that were around when Stonewall happened. Such as Fred Sergeant. That SLUR was echoing in their ears as they were beaten.

If your friends had experienced sexual abuse, they would understand why sex-based female only single sex spaces are vital.

Femphobes and misogynists gaslight victims of sexual violence. It's also why they threaten to rape, skin alive, beat, curb stomp and fucking URINATE on us (or feminist monuments) that reduce female humanity while at the same time exposing themselves as malevolent, malignant, violent dangerous misogynists.

Males are NOT, and never will be, a 'vulnerable minority'. It's at that point, that the oppressor sex class tries to position themselves as victims that they lose. And it's the reason - along with the urinating, barbed wire baseball bats, molotov cocktail wielding hate-filled violent misogynists that show their dna every time they 'protest' that is the very reason they are losing.

I can't agree with that.

Firstly, many adolescents if left untreated with "gender affirming care" grow out of their trans identity.

Secondly, it might relieve the distress of believing that you are Napoleon Bonaparte to be dressed up in 19th century French clothing and exiled to St Helena, but we don't do that. Why not? Surely it would be the kind thing to do?

A majority of trans people deny that they have Gender Dysphoria. The fact is males are males and the SC so held. So put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

The LGB alliance provide an online chat service open 6 hours a week. That's too pathetic for words

The confirmation by the SC is YOUR pushback that you are receiving and shows we are winning the war. You can live your life but stay out of female only spaces if you were born male, stop letting females living our lives free of femphobic misogynists like yourself. Feminists aren't going to ever and I mean ever, and I mean EVER stop fighting for our rights and remove every male person from our spaces, so best you misogynist femphobic bullies get used to the pushback you are getting from society.

The NHS won't treat anyone without a diagnosis of GD, so that's horseshit, and not to be smoked.

Why are you getting pushback? Why are facilities, organisations and sports blocking males from entering female spaces?

I wonder....

If you take a breath and wipe your chin, you may notice that this thread is about the pushback you are getting from people everywhere who think bullying trans people sucks, actually.

We didn't put them up to it. You deal with them.

Ah, so you want them to have more resources and support to expand their services? Good to know. Drop them some cash to help. Come on, you can't expect them to run like Stonewall when they've never owned all the institutions.

On the contrary. The public is fed up of violent misogynistic bullies and their cruelty against women and girls. Women and girls don't want males exposing their penis to them. We say no! Deal with it! The days of our malignant violent and predatorial femphobic misogyny are over. We say no to males in our spaces. The movement is growing. You are losing the battle to expose women and girls to a penis in their spaces, and the war. Cope and seethe.

We’ve dealt with malicious and hard of thinking “trans allies” for years. It’s not really all that surprising or exciting.