Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

Less joining than conquering.

But I’m all for the trans rights activists continuing to display their misogyny, narcissistic self regard and complete lack of reason to the world at large. Crack on.

I think you're wrong here. I know I don't deserve the erudite and exceptionally patient women on this site at all, the @ArabellaScotts, @MrsOvertonsWindows, @Ereshkigalangclegs and too many others to mention in this tiny sampling who year after year engage with and dismantle malicious bullies like you on the daily. I'm very grateful for them, however. Neither do I know what any of us did in past life to deserve the attention of intellectual titans such as you..

Prove your point.

Demonstrate that there has been no ignoring women's boundaries and lack of consent. You can only call it gaslighting if it hasn't happened.

Just bumping this so we can all see what the “Ordinary People” really think.

But you don't make the point. You have failed entirely to prove that women have NOT experienced issues with privacy , safety or dignity, or to prove why their voices aren't valid when they say so.

You've just ranted a lot about how horrible women are.

Your DD is astute.

No-one is taking your prizes, and this country has recognised a transgender person's right to exist in society as their "acquired gender", which includes use of single sex spaces, for over 50 years. Does that help?

Well, I would do but the image hasn’t come out. Anyway https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

I'm not making any comment on privacy safety and dignity, other than that was never going to be enough for you.

Now a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.

No, you just said it wasn't a genuine wish or a valid one, and women were 'gaslighting' when they said their privacy, safety and dignity had been affected.

So go on, make your point. If you have one.

The “Ordinary People” speak…

Why don't you let us have those things first and then see?

Try it. Try a little radical self acceptance. Try dressing and presenting as you wish, but not demanding access to women's spaces and using male or unisex ones instead. What do you think we would object to then?

You're the ones "disheartened" by ordinary people telling you that you are being too horrible and mean to us.

I’m not disheartened. Hope that helps.

It's just DARVO. As you noted upthread. Even our words and arguments get stolen and badly applied to the counter 'argument'. They fit about as well as womens clothes do, too.

Horrible and mean for having rights in law and not handing them over to men and embracing the ongoing abuse.

Try reading the posts love. Actually reading them. Women are disheartened by realising how little they matter, how little anyone cares about what happens to women so long as men get what they want. The utter misogyny. The total lack of perceived value of actual women compared to men identifying as women.

Pretty much as you're demonstrating right here in real time.

They spoke a bit more in 24/25:

Nah. Senior doesn't cut it. This press release regarding the only bit of research that I have seen from the Tavistock GIDS Clinic contains this weird gem

The paper, by a team of Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinicians and independent researchers, including eminent professors of medical statistics and paediatric endocrinology, reports on the cohort of 44 young people enrolled in the study between 2011 and 2014. The study also evaluated the efficacy of treatment and considered the persistence of gender dysphoria and decisions about future treatment.

https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/news/early-intervention-study-shows-puberty-blockers-are-a-well-received-intervention-in-carefully-selected-patients/

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

If this is what you stand for, what do think about the common experience of parents whose children "go no contact" if the parents don't do and say exactly what they are told? This is my experience, because I struggled to avoid using the name and pronouns I had used for half a lifetime. I was screamed at, called a bigot, and abandoned to stew in my "transphobic" juice because I didn't instantly match my worldview to my son's new found worldview. I have no doubt that he has been taught that disagreement equals hatred. That is insane bullying, tantrumiing, intimidating and sulking his way through life. And it started only after his declaration of a trans identity.

I still have a hope that he will come back out of this appallingly intolerant worldview and remember what our family once was before it was destroyed by trans identity politics. We used to be able to disagree well. If trans people want to be fully accepted, they will have to drop the self righteousness and coercion, and "live and let live" without trying to control everyone around them.

Not legally or officially it hasn't. The concept of an "acquired gender" has not been around for 50 years. 'Transgender' is a recent construction. 'Gender Re-assignment' only became a protected category in 2004 and it did not give the right to use single sex spaces, as the supreme court has just made clear.

And whatever name you give to your imagined/adopted identity does not turn a man into a woman. 'Transgender' people are either male or female, just like the rest of us.

You came here to berate us. But it doesn't matter. Women's rights have been upheld in law by the Supreme Court. And there's nothing that you - or any of the other men that object to this - can say or do to change that.

So keep ranting away, using your tired old arguments and misrepresentations. It's entirely irrelevant. We won - get over it.

No, it doesn't help.

And yes, men claiming to be women are quite literally taking our prizes, having won in women's sports and pushed women off the podium.

Women have been assaulted in prison by men claiming to be women. And in hospital. And in toilets.

Just put yourself in our shoes for five minutes, imagine how it feels to know that you're physically weaker than almost every man you encounter, and that men are more likely to use violence than women, and picture going into the ladies ina club to escape some bloke who keeps touching you up even when you've asked him not to, and finding a man in there, too.

And the Supreme Court ruling has confirmed that all those men who have been in women's spaces should not have been.

Does that help?

Edited to correct rage-induced typo.

Just put yourself in our shoes

I don't think that'll be a problem 🤣