Just been “unfriended” for believing in biology

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I posted links about the Supreme Court ruling on my fb feed and have just been unfriended and blocked by a real life friend.
I hadn’t seen her for a long time so we had never talked about the issue because the last time we met (about 8 years ago) transgender wasn’t a thing. Well certainly not in my little corner of the UK anyway.
I am bemused. This is someone I had helped a lot with certain situations. She knows me, she knows that I am a kind and decent person.
But now because I post about the legal reclamation of the word woman I am suddenly persona non grata.
I have friends of differing views on all sorts of topics and we accept that we don’t have to agree on everything. Clearly this particular friend can’t accommodate diverse opinions.
So much for tolerance and inclusion then.

Agree, and what a surprise what 'section'of the no debate the finger wagging 'how very dare you post your opinion!!!' comes from...

I think people don't realise they can snooze a profile or stop receiving notifications without dropping the friend link. How often would you post something that could be considered an opinion topic? Not everyone wants to see those pieces pop up in their feed.

Women’s rights aren’t anti-trans 🙄 More than that, the SC makes clear that trans people maintain their existing rights. Men, of whatever identity, never had the right to use single sex spaces. The SC just clarified that this was the case and also went to the trouble of giving examples of trans people’s rights under Gender Reassignment.

All this has done is explain that women have rights too. Yet the first thing some people do is start handwringing completely unnecessarily and say, “But what about the men?” 🙄

OP, you’re better off without your friend. Some people are wilfully thick and will never admit they’re wrong.

The difficulties that this person would encounter in their day-to-day life is something that should have been addressed in their psychological assessment and counselling before they underwent these radical changes to their body.

People are either male or female. Society is based around this fact. Turning yourself into a facsimile of the opposite sex is inevitably going to cause difficulties in certain situations. Anyone making these radical changes to their body should be fully aware of how difficult this will make their life before they make the changes.

It is completely unreasonable for people who make a conscious and informed choice to change their bodies in this way to expect society to make major changes in order to accommodate their choice.

It’s not controversial. The EA 2010 was always meant to meant biological men and women. But TRAs twisted the words and meaning of the law to also mean trans women as women, effectively making the law meaningless.

I’m so glad it has been clarified now.

And you have no way of knowing there have been ‘no problems’ with your friend going into women’s spaces for years now. How can you possibly say that? You haven’t been there.

Yes.

But it was Stonewall and other trans organisations who wanted no compromise, tried to overturn the exemptions in the EA and did their best to discourage organisations from using them.

Did your friend support female people having access to female only sports, support groups and dating apps?

If Stonewall and the whole TRA movement hadn’t done a massive over-reach and pushed for men in women’s sports, housed male sex offenders in women’s prisons etc then your friend or person you know would have gone under the radar and been fine. The friend who unfriended should be mad at those people and not the OP.

Technically they should never have been using women’s services but there were vanishingly few post op transsexual women that they were in practice able to. Now we have to put the safeguarding of women first and in law the only way is to enforce sex based rights.

The trash took itself out, women don’t need friends who believe women’s rights are for sale to men.

Are you one of those people? If you are, you’re using false equivalence.

Its the ruling of the UK courts.

Not one US politician with a specific view point on a sub-class of immigration.

And tbf rich males with anchor babies and political power who go on to aquire citizenship dont appear to be a problem.

I can see it’s difficult but it isn’t the fault of women, blame the people who lied that people could change sex. Your friend is still a man, however much surgery they’ve had, they can’t be a woman. Campaign for third spaces if you feel so strongly about it.

Hilarious that you think the Supreme court ruling that the definition of woman - and man for that matter - based on their biological sex is ‘anti trans’.
The whole fragile idea that someone can ‘transition’ from one sex to another is rooted in biology! Conflating biological sex with ethereal gender is doing some heavy lifting there.

I had an old friend get really angry with me because I laughed when she said “biological sex is a colonial construct”. I pointed out that was incredibly patronising and possibly racist (didn’t go down well) Then she said it’s easy to change sex (having previously denied its existence), TWAW etc etc. I disagreed and she accused me of being a conspiracy theorist and QAnon supporter. These people are twats (that’s my scientific analysis)

If I posted my views on Facebook I'd be mass unfriended. I don't know why I have so many friends in thrall to men and not understanding biology. The only person I can talk to about it is my gay male bestie who thinks the whole thing is mass mental illness.

I suspect this would never have been an issue, but then some men with penises started demanding their right to go into communal changing rooms(and other spaces) with women and teenage girls. They ruined it for your friend. Things do get ruined by men’s aggression. I sympathise with your friend but in common with many women, their freedom has been curtailed by men.

I completely agree with you about the warring tribes and the need for a degree of robustness and acceptance around the fact we all think differently; but I don’t understand why people can’t leave the job of the media to the media.

People can read about developments there, as generally speaking it allows for it to be presented in a more objective way. The broadcasting of which side you personally take only fuels the “warring.” You brought the issue into your personal relationships when you didn’t need to - at least not with those whose views you were unsure of.

When a man disguises himself to appear ‘as a woman’ then enters women only spaces, that used to be seen as a crime. Now everyone is supposed embrace such behaviour and feel sorry for the men who do this.
I would hope for the sake of every single woman who has had the experience of being in a single sex space with your ‘friend’ that he does indeed ‘pass’. That way, those women would not have had felt the fear any woman would feel when a strange man is in a space designated for women. But I’m pretty certain that the vast majority of those women would see that he was, in fact, a man. They won’t challenge him, will likely leave the toilet asap, and feel pretty violated that once again a man is invading their space.

Agree with the above I know 2 transwomen for sure have had the full ops. However they both still read as male to most women. I am not sure men read it the same way. If you have had sexual trauma in the past then you don’t want to be sharing a changing room with them. It is not about danger but dignity and privacy for the women. I don’t know why some women cannot empathise with that

I think these people have some nerve unfriending us - they are the ones who have adopted a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, child-mutilating ideology. We should be unfriending them.

Women, know your place!

Are you sure that is the reason? Every now and again I go through my friends list and take off people I no longer see, haven't interacted with in a long time, have no intention of seeing again or who are no longer in my immediate friends and family

For reasons I won’t go into, yes I am positive.

The first two replies are a perfect illustration of how women have been silenced over this issue.

To quote Gisèle Pélicot, shame needs to switch sides.

It is the people who don't believe women deserve equal rights who should be ashamed of their views. Not feminists.

What a bizarre post. Do you really think like this?

I have friends with a whole range of opinions that are different from me, some have views I vehemently oppose. They are still my friends.