Just been “unfriended” for believing in biology

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I posted links about the Supreme Court ruling on my fb feed and have just been unfriended and blocked by a real life friend.
I hadn’t seen her for a long time so we had never talked about the issue because the last time we met (about 8 years ago) transgender wasn’t a thing. Well certainly not in my little corner of the UK anyway.
I am bemused. This is someone I had helped a lot with certain situations. She knows me, she knows that I am a kind and decent person.
But now because I post about the legal reclamation of the word woman I am suddenly persona non grata.
I have friends of differing views on all sorts of topics and we accept that we don’t have to agree on everything. Clearly this particular friend can’t accommodate diverse opinions.
So much for tolerance and inclusion then.

Yes same but if a friend undriends me because they don't think the way i want them too that is up to them i wouldn't question it

Why would that comment pertain just to women?

I don’t think like that.

Don’t be ridiculous. Being a sex realist (as in, believing actual scientific facts rather than ideology) is nothing like racism, and wanting women to be safeguarded and have rights isn’t anti anything.
Additionally, having the same views as someone about one issue doesn’t make them your favourite person. Hitler was a vegetarian - does that mean all vegetarians are pro nazi?

The problem for your friend is not the SC ruling, it’s the ten year campaign run by gender ideologists which made incredible and harmful demands that any man can enter women’s spaces without question. Because that’s what the demand was in practice.

It’s that demand, and the refusal by gender ideologists to discuss or debate it, that led women to have to fight back, and the only argument left open to them was the biological sex one.

Prior to the anti-safeguarding, anti-women position taken by gender ideologists, there was no issue in society with the ‘passing TW’. It’s gender ideologists who destroyed that accommodation. Blame them.

I don’t think I should need to keep my views to myself.
Whilst not trying to convert any of my friends to my beliefs, I always want to speak up about things which are important to me.
My fb feed is made up of cats / dogs / horses welfare stuff sometimes with rehoming links from local charities, anti racist and other pro human rights issues (including links from Fair Pay for Women etc), pro environment stuff and some personal photos.
If anyone doesn’t want to see that they can unfollow me.
I have done that to a friend’s daughter who votes reform so that I don’t have farage popping up.
It is ironic that a movement which wants trans people to “bring their whole selves to work” , be “authentic” etc actually drives honesty underground.
It appears that I can only be the sort of authentic self that others decide is right and proper.
The more I think about this I come to the conclusion that if this (ex) friend is so intolerant of honesty then it is probably for the best that she has legged it.

Trump's stance on immigration is not restricted to a subclass of immigration law.

His policies have far-reaching implications on the consequences (or lack thereof) of invoking 1798 Alien Enemies Act, which was only invoked during wars, and federal agencies ignoring due process.

His policies, exemplified by the Attorney General Pam Bondi's memo stating that law enforcement can enter homes without warrant when pursuing those deemed "alien enemies", as they are “not entitled to a hearing, appeal or judicial review", also raise the issue of validity of his reinterpretation of the warrant requirement stipulated by the Fourth Amendment.

There is another legal issue surrounding the Civil Rights Act and the free speech protection per the First Amendment, and apart from the ongoing cases involving immigrants and academic institutions, more cases will follow from groups that are targeted.

https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/ronald-kl-collins-first-amendment-news/executive-watch-breadth-and-depth-trump might be a good summary (specifically noteworthy from FIRE whose lawyers have focused less on their clients' party affiliations but more on the possibility of their free speech protection being curtailed, and the foundation purports to be non-partisan).

I agree that could be an option, but I'm not sure something recently happened to OP's friend that might have made her think that OP's view on the Supreme Court ruling warrants unfriending on social media.

Maybe she thinks unfriending you was simply her honesty.

Sometimes the trash takes itself out.

Seriously, if they are that deep into the religion then they can only survive by cutting off dissenters. They should be quarantined.

This person is no risk to anyone.

How do you know that @Rklap ?

It’s an emotive subject.

I've unfriended people who are posting with views on the other side.

We don’t share the same values anymore so I move on.

personally I avoid posted on highly divisive subjects

OP, I have lost quite a few friends over this; a couple of them were people who i considered to be close friends and never would have thought they'd ditch me over any kind of difference in opinion.

It's hurtful. But as time passes, I realise that it's for the best. These are people that have basically lost their reason. Anyone who can't tolerate or even be curious about different views is a person you can't trust.

It’s sad that this is the hill she chose, but it is what it is.

I am waiting for the trans men and the lesbians to sort this mess out so we can all get on with everything.

Yes, this x 100!! There is absolutely no way to tell whether anyone is bothered or not.

My MIL goes to a community centre which a trans identifiying male also attends. Fine. She has no issue with that, she'd probably chat to him in the community cafe because she's a friendly person. But she doesn't want to be in the loos with this six-foot male. So who is this 5' 1'', slightly built, sweet woman supposed to complain to about that? Because she just wouldn't complain. It's not realistic. And why should she have to anyway? The space is for women.

The confidence with which some people assert that their lovely trans friend, or even they themselves, are "no threat" to women astounds me sometimes. It is not necessarily about the "threat", it is merely the presence. And it is impossible to know whether that bothers someone else or not.

You don't need friends like her.

Good riddance.

I agree with avoiding divisive posts; or if you want to post them, be prepared for pushback.

Posting things is an oddly unilateral type of “conversation.” If you post and then expect people not to unfriend etc, you are essentially saying I have the right to assert my views and you will just have to suck them up. Normal conversation doesn’t work that way; there is a reciprocity and a forum for exchanges that doesn’t exist in this context.

They're not unfriending you because they don't think the way you want them to.

They're unfriending you because they don't respect your right to have a different opinion.

They are the intolerant ones.

It always surprises me that some women care so little about their own rights and are willing to sacrifice them for....men. Just to do what's trendy.

Being pro-women doesn't mean anti-trans.

Unless being pro-trans is anti women!

I think we've pretty much established by now that being pro trans IS being anti women.

Same happened to me Op and I didn’t even post anything just ‘liked’ a comment someone made on her post commiserating that the ruling was a human rights infringement. People are loopy on this issue. For some anything other than ‘trans women are women full stop’ is akin to being in the kkk.

I have a trans acquaintance - 6ft, in tact penis, massive fake boobs, constantly posting evocative pics of themselves online that show this to be a fetish - now also posting how their ‘dignity has been taken away’ because they can’t use the women’s loos. No regard for the dignity of women who are offended by the parading of a parody of our bodies for their own gratification. I actually don’t care how they choose to present but we are in a profession where if a woman dressed and behaved in a way this trans person does we would be ridiculed and probably asked to dress/behaved differently.

Yesterday, for the first time, I unfriended someone on Facebook because they posted that utterly dim nonsense about sex being too complicated for us to ever know what someone’s sex is.

We were colleagues, without ever really being proper friends and I hadn’t interacted with her for years, other than the odd like.

I couldn’t let that post pass without doing something because it just pisses me off so much that people post something so stupid, as a dog whistle indicator (that post really is) that they think men belong in women’s toilets. The choice was to argue or to unfriend.

I did the latter, partly because the friendship meant little to me and I’m simply tired of arguing , but also as there is another (admittedly distant) friend that I know is pro-trans that I don’t want to lose. I only know that friend is pro-trans as she posted a single picture of herself meeting a friend at one of the pro-trans marches. It’s part of her life and she doesn’t shove it in my face.

There’s also a much more recent friend I know is TWAW and I shall probably tackle her with my views at some point, but definitely don’t want to trigger that discussion via Facebook.

I keep all this stuff off Facebook as it’s the space with lots of friends, from schooldays onwards, that I value having in contact. I don’t know their views so I keep quiet on mine.

Facebook is a space where I shy away from this discussion as I know it’s contentious. I speak about it on all other social media and to people in real life, but on Facebook it would risk messing up something I rather like, which is various links with my past, so I don’t. Maybe your friend went through something similar when she saw your post, even if she’s on the other side of this debate.

I always think it's worth spelling that out, though, because so many people don't develop the forst statement through to it's logical conclusion.

I posted about the Supreme Court judgment on Facebook.

Before I posted, I checked my friend count. I had 527 friends, including:

• two trans women (one of whom I know is definitely an active Facebook user because we have interacted recently)
• one person who identifies as non binary
• one woman who is married to a trans woman and posted how devastated she was about the Supreme Court judgment (and is a very active Facebook user)
• numerous gay men and lesbians, including one gay man who posted saying he was upset about the Supreme Court judgment
• a woman who recently posted something along the lines of "if you support my friends losing their rights, we are not friends", which I assumed was referring to trans people but can't be sure

I would say the majority of my Facebook friends are in their 30s or early 40s and left leaning, mostly remain voters, very few people willing to admit to voting Tory.

A fair few people liked my post but did not comment on it. The gay man who had previously posted condemning the judgment commented and we had a robust but friendly discussion, which ended with him saying he would go away and read the judgment.

My friend count is still 527.