Is anyone worried about pressure now to change the Equality legislation?

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There's a lot of wisdom in this forum - I wondered in the happy afterglow of the very clear-cut SC and EHCR pronouncements on biological sex … is there a risk that behind this, someone is pulling strings to publish strong statements hoping this will to trigger a surge of pro-trans-rights sentiment leading to a widespread acceptance the EA must change to encompass rights based on declared gender identity? And eventually a political mandate for the same?

In other words - we can’t expect the TRAs will give up. Have we won the battle but not the war?

I have long felt I have landed on the wrong side of history in my GC convictions - I can’t shake the feeling that the recent developments are too good to be true.

Oh dear I see butters has been getting testerical again

if this is all so damaging to your mental health why do you keep coming here?

Butters enjoys telling off women.

Butters needs women to validate the 'transpersecution' in Butters head.

Butters wants to be 'socially murdered' on MN to 'prove' we all 'hate' Butters.

We don't. We just find it disturbing and concerning that individuals are so divorced from reality.

This isn't our fault. Nor is it our problem to fix.

Butters enjoys telling off women.

Totally.

Although, 'the 'spluttering outrage using the most Armageddon-esque word salad you can think of' competition, is a new one

Is “social murder” the new “literal violence”? Asking for a friend.

@ButterflyHatched sometimes we have same SEX spaces for very good reason. Not same "gender" spaces.

Everyone has to use the space for their SEX however they might feel, despite any "gender identity" they might claim to have.

Its is the law.

Leave women alone.

Perhaps butters isn't very good with technology?

Finding gender neutral toilets is piece of piss!

While it's difficult to give an exact number of apps, several platforms and apps can help you find gender-neutral toilets in the UK. Besides the Great British Public Toilet Map, you can use apps like REFUGE Restrooms, Flush Toilet Finder, ToiFi and Lulu: Bathroom & Toilet Finder.

So that's five.

I even saw one called Trans Squat - and I can appreciate that might induce a bit of a meltdown, but I'm not sure that's the UK.

I so want to do an OmniCause phrase generator app.

Some serious word salads, justification, attack, defensiveness etc. going on with them.

I don't care if I am called transphobic, I have always thought their issue was not identity but psychiatric and they should all have evaluations for delusion and madness quite frankly. Every one of them. No excuses for those who sit in the background and quietly get on with their lives. They are members of the group.

ID as whatever you like, but if you step over the boundaries of science, common sense and the law, and expect everyone to believe in your fanstasies at the expense of others in society you are suffering a mental illness. There is no other explanation.

@Datun I even saw one called Trans Squat - and I can appreciate that might induce a bit of a meltdown, but I'm not sure that's the UK.

Asia or the middle east perhaps? Squat toilets are used by both sexes and are allegedly the healthiest way to perform ones ablutions.
I never had any issues with them in my younger years but due to my old knees, I'd struggle to get back up these days.
Trans squat though? That sounds more like an illegal trans occupied residence 😂 I'm off to Google that

Screenshots.

Twisting our words and then commenting about them elsewhere on social media.

And call me a pedant but it's not literal murder is it. Figurative, metaphorical perhaps but no one is literally murdering anyone. Don't they realise they sound like petulant adolescents with their you're literally killing us! silliness

Yes. Proving that it's got absolutely nothing to do with political goals, and everything to do with sticking it to women.

GC ideology was always going to run into trouble once it pushed past the 'reasonable concerns' trojan horses and started showing its true face. Well, the mask has been slipping for a while now and people are noticing that you are still pushing toward an eliminationist agenda despite constant assertions that this was never about toilet bans and removing healthcare for adults.

"eliminationist agenda"
This is pure conspiracy theory stuff, as demonstrated on here by BH in the past.
At least those posters who aren't familiar with BH will now be getting the true picture.

👆This post nails it.

(Along with all the other posts that nail it)

This is just another remarkable aspect that highlights the very real differences between male and female people with transgender identities. The female people with transgender identities are already using apps to communicate and plan their toilet needs. They tell us they are doing this.

Yet, male people with transgender identities declare they simply cannot do this!

It adds to the list of things that the people declaring that they are female when they are not, simply cannot get their heads around that leads to female people correctly sexing them. Who knew!!

I've just read their open letter to parliament. Could butterfly be one of the signatories? Willow Licorice or Penelope Friday?

The whole thing is batshit but this stood out

• An immediate extending of surgical provision for all types of gender affirming surgery, and the provision to allow the use of private providers, including overseas providers at cost to the NHS until domestic provision is adequately established.
• Extension of available gender affirming treatments available on the NHS, including but not limited to:
• Breast augmentation where HRT doesn’t provide sufficient growth.
• 200 hours of electrolysis
• Facial surgery where desired
• Any gender non-conforming surgeries

So life-saving healthcare = a tax payer funded holiday to Thailand with cosmetic surgery thrown in?
Where do I sign up? Oh wait...🤔

@ButterflyHatched, a doctor might decide that it is best for their patient that they are treated as if they are the opposite sex, but that doctor can’t compel the rest of society to comply with this treatment plan.

That treatment plan is tantamount to a doctor prescribing an imaginary pill that solves all the patient’s problems - the patient might be very happy and excited when they leave the doctor’s office, prescription in hand, but they will be sorely disappointed when the chemist informs them the drug they have been promised doesn’t actually exist.

If that happened, it would obviously be the doctor’s fault for suggesting an impossible treatment plan. There’s no point in shouting at the chemist for not stocking an imaginary drug, is there?

the patient might be very happy and excited when they leave the doctor’s office, prescription in hand, but they will be sorely disappointed when the chemist informs them the drug they have been promised doesn’t actually exist.

Not only can the drug not persuade other people to buy into your fantasy, butters has said they live a life of crushing isolation, seeing only doctors, dogged by ill health, and living with the sword of Damocles hanging over their head in terms of the medication they've taken.

The entire premise is utterly dangerous, and should never have been accommodated.

Yes. It comes after the "brainwashing and torture" 🙄

At the risk of spoiling the fun you seem to be having with compiling your fantasy 'Butterfly Lore' dossier:

-Crushing Isolation? No. I felt a great deal of isolation in my teens and twenties due to the incredibly toxic social climate of the time which made it dangerous to disclose my history or speak of my experiences with cis people. You have decided to pretend that this means I still experience this now. I do not. The world changed and most normal people became reasonable and supportive around the trans people in their lives.

-Seeing only doctors? No. You have chosen to twist my comment about only being able to discuss my treatment with doctors while living stealth in an intensely trans-hostile society, into a false narrative about only ever interacting with doctors in general. I was not, in fact, created in a lab.

-Dogged by ill health? No. I know you are desperate to make this one true but I'm sorry to disappoint you. While I do take some medications, they are either prescriptions to support my transition or are also taken by at least one cis person I know of the same age.

-Sword of Damocles? No. I was belatedly moved to a different form of HRT due to the known risks of taking the old type for a long period of time. This same change was also made by my mother a few years ago.

Your desperation to present this false narrative through shameless misrepresentation does not demonstrate an inclination toward honesty or integrity. It reflects very poorly on the other arguments you put forward.

While it's easy to bedazzle the public with rampant porky pies in newspaper headlines, opinion pieces, bad science and misleading guidance, especially when those lies are repeated enough times that they become embedded, each time you do this and are then proven wrong, people become a little wiser and more aware of your duplicity. Each successive lie gradually expends any remaining credibility you have left.

I note that GC arguments have shifted away from 'trust the science' 'we need more research' over the last six months or so - now that the very real fear of what the research demands you used as a blocking factor will prove all over again is taking hold. You need to periodically invent a new mythology as the old one decays and is discredited.

Unfortunately it takes a lot more effort to correct a lie than it does to lie in the first place, which is why we have to spend our time running around after you trying to stem the torrent of bullshit you constantly project.

It is in stark evidence here.

Brazenly lying and then bullying anyone who challenges you has become an extremely popular tactic in American politics. However, on this side of the Atlantic, we are a lot more resistant to it.

I note that GC arguments have shifted away from 'trust the science' 'we need more research' over the last six months or so - now that the very real fear of what the research demands you used as a blocking factor will prove all over again is taking hold. You need to periodically invent a new mythology as the old one decays and is discredited.

But @ButterflyHatched, how can the research into the trans experience or how best to treat gender dysphoria change the fact that a medical treatment plan can’t compel the whole of society to comply?

Even if the medical research concludes that treating a male patient with gender dysphoria as if he were female is absolutely in the best interests of that patient, it doesn’t change the fact that society includes other groups of people who have conflicting needs.

I’m sure there is also plenty of research from back in the day explaining why women need single-sex spaces.

Research alone doesn’t resolve the issue of how to handle the conflicting needs of two distinct groups of people.

Any treatment plan that is recommended needs to be appropriate for the environment in which the patient exists. It’s no good making a fairytale treatment plan when the patient lives in the real world where women have rights too.

As I said, you bend like the wind, butters. It all depends on who you're trying to persuade, and what you're trying to persuade them of.

Victim for empathy, or huge success for drugs advocacy.

I'm on three different types of lifelong medication directly associated with side effects of my transition, alongside one that outright would have prevented me from being able to pursue treatment had I been on it at the time. I've a healthy dose of gallows humour regarding the sword of damocles hanging over me after 20 years of HRT, and the likelihood of life-changing implications in the decades to come.

When you spend a lifetime in a well of almost complete, crushing isolation, unable to speak to anyone other than medical gatekeepers

Oh I've definitely had a whole host of health issues - they're a regular topic of discussion with my GP and I'd happily offer them if anyone ever formally approached me for a followup study.

Marty McFlying.

I have a new concept.

@Datun ah, those pesky receipts

It didn't happen.

Butters didnt say those things there's evidence for. Only those other things that Butters really meant but didn't say. Or did say and aren't completely contradictory to those other things that Butters may or may have said or not said. Depending on the day of the week.

Reality only exists in Butters head. It's transphobic to question this. Everyone else is supposed to know and understand the contents of Butters head and respect Butters.

Butters deserves legal protections based on indefinable fuzzy fuzzy concepts of sex that only apply to Butters when it suits Butters. And aren't important when they apply to others. Cos Butters says so.

This is the world according to Butters where Butters is always right and everyone else is just MEAN.

And we are supposed to go along with it. And the Supreme Court are supposed to encode this into actual law.

(Facepalm)