Interim guidance from EHRC is out

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https://x.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1915853104421167211?t=qbUrcHVdtPyqVB1uZ5depA&s=19

Lololol at the idea that WE should find a new hobby butters

why dont you get a new hobby instead of coming onto MN to bore everyone rigid with your over emoting tone deaf hyperbole??

as you’ve been told a gazillion times; if it’s so awful and damaging why are you here so often??

No she hasn’t. This isn’t helping.

You were lied to, the Supreme Court has interpreted the law correctly. Don’t take it out on women on here. Go to Stonewall et al and ask why.

We will when males learn to stay out of spaces designated for females. All we want are our rights to be recognized.

As a legal and persuasive argument, this is flawed.

I think you need better advice than has so far been provided by organisations like Stonewall, but I'd start by arguing for rights based on the PC of gender reassignment.

The previous policy of arguing that the PC of sex doesn't or shouldn't exist is now a non starter.

Restoring women's rights isn't a hobby.

It's been essential work.

But we are used to men dismissing and minimising women's work, including women's political work.

The protected characteristic of "gender reassignment" has not been changed. Access to healthcare and protection from discrimination remains.

Pretty much what one would expect from BH. I haven’t bothered to listen to it for years now.

What have you been doing for the last decade? Getting on with your life as best you can?

Many women have been prevented from getting on with their lives as best they can due to the infiltration of men into women's spaces, services, sports, awards, etc., etc.

No. You've dedicated it to destroying trans people's access to healthcare and protection from discrimination.

Trans people have the same access to healthcare as the rest of the population, the NHS is there to treat the needs of the population, not the wants and is free at the point of use. It does, however, fail across all sectors of the population on treating their needs but that is an entirely different conversation.

Trans people have the same protection from discrimination they always had.

Just find a new hobby for christ's sake.

How arrogant and dismissive to frame women fighting for their rights in Law to be clarified and upheld as a hobby.

You availed yourself of what was never yours in the first place that illegal grab is now over. Deal with it.

Totally agree!

The BH Presenter gently pushed back on what the UK Hospitality person was (erroneously) saying.

Thank you Longines.

Not sure if someone has already posted this elsewhere, but it discusses the continued misrepresentation of the ruling in the media, and all of the over emoting and psychodrama that accompanies it.

https://decentered.co.uk/opinion-baiting-and-the-erosion-of-impartial-reporting/

Womens rights described as a hobby.

We could not get a more accurate demonstration of the contempt with which women are held in by the very people who claim to need access to women's spaces to meet their own inner needs.

Women are human, we have human rights, and we have the right to say no.

Hear hear.

It may be true that we all have an idea of what constitutes masculinity and feminity, but different people’s individual perspectives and understanding may not align, and may or may not be associated with some innate sense of “gender”.

Basically, it’s all speculation. That’s why it’s referred to as gender woo.

Oh dear.

Still unable to accept that male people who chose to use female single sex spaces contributed to the harm of female people, I see.

Still unable to accept that male people forceably redefining the very words that we need to use to describe ourselves harmed female people?

Instead, just attack, attack, attack. Never look back. It seems like those medieval war recreations of storming the castle. But this is life. When male people coercively told the world that they were female people and that they had to be treated as female people, it was never going to last. Political movements built on falsehoods are not righteous ones.

Nobody is thoroughly 'masculine' or throughly 'feminine'. We are all individuals with various different interests, preferences, talents, skills...some of which may be judged to be more on the 'feminine ' side, others more on the 'masculine' side.

So for example I have always had a preference for short hair - which many see as 'masculine', and I've not worn heels since I was 15 years old..though I do like skirts and I like to paint my toe nails - both of which are coded 'feminine'.

I love interior design and creating a comfortable, beautiful home ( coded feminine), but I also contribute to an architecture and urbanism forum which is populated by 98% men. I don't understand why there are so few other female contributors. .....perhaps they are all out shopping for beauty products and lingerie? 😉

Maybe I’ll start listening again!

"Just find a new hobby for christ's sake."

If anything more were needed to demonstrate that @ButterflyHatched is unchangeably male and not any kind of woman, this sentence will do it. Women seeking to protect our same sex spaces, services and sports and also safeguard vulnerable young people (who are being falsely told changing their body will make them members of the opposite sex) are NOT simply idly pursuing a hobby. That is an appalling suggestion, totally lacking in any understanding of woman's actual needs and rights and the concerted effort that has been put into undermining them in favour of men with womanly feelz. The Supreme Court judgment is simply setting the record straight that you and all other trans-identified men are not, indeed never have been, entitled to claim admittance to those things that by statute belong to women alone. Go and feel sorry for yourself somewhere else, because I and most posters here simply don't care.

A very eloquent post!

Identity is not a fixed thing. Identity evolves and changes as one moves through life, in response to changing conditions and experiences.

There are some factors that one cannot/do not change and that includes one's parents; one's background and place of birth; one's time in history; one's race or ethnicity and one's sex.....everything else is about personal character and one's personal response to the above circumstances and conditions.

And you think that gender can be compared to race?

Race has materially definable aspects.

And you have just shown that you cannot explain gender without referring to stereotypes that you choose to measure yourself against.

So, you seem to be saying that 'gender identity' is somene's personal commentary on how they feel about societal expectations aroud their sex?

Though, you do know that how we feel about things shifts and changes throughout our life. We all have to adapt and we all have to deal with the conditions of our lives, but our responses are fluid in nature and not set in stone.

The thing about adopting a gender identity which is 'fixed' is that it freezes you in just one response. and becomes a sort of role you think you have to play. It becomes performative. ( The 'Performance of Gender' - Judith Butler)

Every time you try to frame compassionate feminists as 'extreme trans activists' you really show your hand.

There's no such thing as a feminist who puts trans women above women in the pecking order.

@ButterflyHatched ecery time you frame women fighting for their rights as anti trans bigots you let everyone know exactly who and what you are.