Interim guidance from EHRC is out

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https://x.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1915853104421167211?t=qbUrcHVdtPyqVB1uZ5depA&s=19

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These lads love a bit of humiliation with their narcissism.

@ButterflyHatched I remain in sympathy for your distress.

But you have shown not one iota of sympathy with the women whose spaces you have accessed, nor have you acknowledged that your prior access may not have been with the consent of the women whose spaces they were. Instead there’s a whole lot of I, I, I and me, me, me.

Read @MissScarletInTheBallroom’s posts because she talks a lot of sense. It’s up to you if you take it on board or not but either way you should be angry at those who sold you a lie, not those who refuse to be complicit in it or who refuse to give in to your self indulgent demands.

There is little I've ever agreed with more strongly. I was absolutely '#BeKind' and 'TranswomenAreWomen' until I saw how little these males understood and supported women. It's not any kind of hate to understand that women (female humans) need spaces away from male humans.

I get what you mean I guess I’m nervous because facts haven’t always won out and the I don’t trust the gov not to be swayed by emotional blackmail.

I note that Butterfly repeatedly refers to Baroness Falkner as if she alone was responsible for his predicament. Again, blaming a woman for a situation not of her making. The misogyny is strong and unrelenting.

No.

You have not actually ever been legally allowed into female spaces. The SDA and EA are both clear sex is biological sex. You got away with it as this used to be much less of an issue and there were many fewer transsexuals around.

What has changed is not the law but the increased demands of men to get into our spaces.

I am sorry you are hurting but how dare you come on here and try and paint women standing up for the invasion of their same
sex spaces by men and breaching of legislation as “hate”. Just do not.

It's been years of coercive control, and a lot of women have done the Freedom Project and have said no.

In all seriousness eastern, I suspect the consultation is absolutely going to get loads of screeds exactly like that.

And I hope they realise exactly quite how much of a massive con has been perpetrated on people. And that they focus on the people who did it.

I hope they have the remit to recommend enquiry after enquiry, to find out exactly how this dangerous ideology was allowed to flourish, trampling on women's rights, and targeting very vulnerable children.

Someone really has to unravel all this, and go after the people responsible.

Additionally, I don't think we're seeing fear, we're seeing rage. Unsurprisingly, given it's the top characteristic of TRAs.

In all seriousness eastern, I suspect the consultation is absolutely going to get loads of screeds exactly like that.

Can you even imagine what the submissions of the likes of Joly and Windy are going to be?

I was so upset I battered another fox.

It really should be a bit of an eye opener. They have nothing rational, logical or legal on their side.

It's all massive entitlement generated by a handful of TRAs. Of course, men being told they could have exactly what they want, when they want it, regardless of anyone else, weren't a difficult audience to persuade.

But nonetheless, the entitlement, the rage, the default to hyperbole, paranoia, violence and threats, might well be rather enlightening.

What did I read about other submissions to the Supreme Court? Were they called absurd and incoherent? Something like that.

Somebody really needs to ask why are so many men acting in such a way.

yeah, basically people who have chosen to live their life in a frankly bananas way ain't gonna be able to gracefully accept a 'no' as demonstrated on this thread. they can't regulate themselves and behave with consideration towards others.

there are lots of people who chose to live bananas lives, not just those who pretend to be members of the opposite sex. some pretend to be pilots, or members of the saudi royal family. and grown ups have to say 'no' to them and make it stick.

This.

I hope so too. I don’t want people to lose their nerve on this due to the sheer onslaught but to hold people accountable for getting us here.

Yes, someone needs to really call Stonewall out and hold their feet to the fire.

Sorry if I’ve missed this - what consultation please?

There will be a two week consultation on the EHRC report, some time in May.

This was in their statement yesterday @KnottyAuty

“We will shortly undertake a public consultation to understand how the practical implications of this judgment may be best reflected in the updated guidance. The Supreme Court made the legal position clear, so we will not be seeking views on those legal aspects.
The consultation will be launched in mid-May and last for two weeks. We will be seeking views from affected stakeholders.”

So I assume that women who are positively affected can also respond - muslim women, survivors of CSA and DV etc can all write in to describe the positive impact of this revised understanding of the law?

I assume so, it's whether they will, we all know who shouts loudest and will play the emotional card.

I’d like to know why men who bought into the lie they had a right to use women’s spaces/services aren’t out there yelling at Whittle & Burns & whoever else were involved in bringing in the GRA, for pushing that lie for 15 years while pocketing a lot of government cash for doing so. Why buy into the fact women are the ones ‘spoiling’ your imagined self image instead of the narcissist activists who knew that certificate didn’t give any rights of access to women’s stuff?

We’ve had 15 years of abuse, threats, mobbing, monstering, smearing, lies, capture & absurd policies that risk employment when we spoke up, and it’s supposed to be women’s fault you bought the lie, supported the lie, took advantage of the lie & lived the lie, at the expense of women who always had the right to say no, to have female only provision, who were also lied to & about.

How about all those who feel the FWS judgement ‘ruins’ their lives take a long hard look in the mirror & see the sort of person who doesn’t give a shiny shit about women, their safety, their dignity, their experiences or their rights, because you never thought you needed to do any work to secure the ‘safe space’ you claim to need when you felt entitled to take ours.

Honestly, I’m absolutely raging at the pity posts here, trying to shame & guilt women for standing up for what was always legal & our rights. Take your poor me & my poor friend bollocks & yell at those who lied to everyone who claimed women never had any right to say no, to our boundaries, our spaces, our rights.

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I feel like “overplaying their hand” gives what lobbyists have been doing too much credit. They didn’t start with GRA for admin purposes, start using loos get carried away and end up here.

They strategised it. They strategised that if they could get males who identify as women into prisons, in what they considered the most difficult circumstance then they could get it accepted everywhere. It was always the ultimate aim. And they used some of the most vulnerable women in our society as sacrifices to some of the worst men. All because of their wants and needs.

I cannot get over the cynicism of that. It was truly despicable.

Thanks. Good to know it’s about the practical application. So small business owners, groups, advertising/signage etc. Probably all the issues discussed on the boards here.

In which case it might be an opportunity to flag the practical problems of dealing with people who refuse to follow the rules? Which will be underlined by the TRA responses complaining about the rules and/or saying they ignore them!?

I’d like to know why men who bought into the lie they had a right to use women’s spaces/services aren’t out there yelling at Whittle & Burns & whoever else were involved

I really would like an actual answer to this.

What would they say? But we wanted it? So it doesn't matter that they lied?

What possible answer would be forthcoming???

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