AntiSocial on Radio 4 just after midday today (25 April)

[nauticant]

AntiSocial on Radio 4 looks each week at one of the rows in the "Culture Wars". As such, it positions itself as being part of the effort in the BBC to counter "misinformation" and while it does do that, there's clearly a strong secondary mission to promote the BBC's version of "progressive values".

This is the question they're dealing with today: What does the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex mean for the health service?

They've had programmes on about drag queens and other matters and tend to paint gender critical views as being somewhat extreme if not bigoted.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002b76x

Fleming doing his best to be even-handed I think.
Struggling though.

Bev being fantastic.

Cleo says trans people are scared of not getting treatment in line with their gender...hmmm

Cleo is describing a situation that has arisen from the difficulty in maintaining a lie about having changed sex in a medical context, as Bev neatly points out.

Weren't any issues for you Cleo

Everything I hear from TW, and, curiously, I'm not sure I've heard from any TM on similar platforms, says 'We want affirmation. We want all of society and everyone around us to confirm our identity and support our choices.'
The implications for other people just dont seem to matter.
As highlighted by Cleo not being in favour of third spaces.

Edited to correct the name.

I'm shouting 'what about women!'

Nobody complains - I wonder why?

'There weren't any issues'. For him, maybe.

I would really like the claim of 'no issues' to be countered with the rape that 'didn't happen'.

Cleo says no problems when Cleo was on a 'single sex ward' with women having an operation a few years ago. But was worried in case someone 'had a problem with it'.
Says it all really.

A friend with PCOS!

Here's something I posted on another thread
And don't forget Dawn Butler's 'butch lesbian friend' who has to be protected by DB and a phalanx of her straight friends because she [the butch lesbian] gets 'hounded out' of the women's toilet.
Some butch lesbians are challenged in the women's toilets 'Oi this is the Ladies!' - I've been challenged like that myself on occasions - but I've never heard of any lesbian being 'hounded out', it usually becomes obvious to the other women present that it's just a woman who looks a bit different from them, no hounding out needed.
I wonder is there an agency somewhere,
'Butch Lesbians and Hulking Six-Foot Fully Bearded Transmen available NOW for your carefully staged event!'
because suddenly there seem to be an awful lot of very butch lesbians and very tall transmen, and they all seem to have a lot of friends in high places who can't stop talking about them in the media.
Odd, that...🤔

That should have read
'Butch Lesbians, Hulking Six-Foot Fully Bearded Transmen and Women with PCOS available NOW for your carefully staged event!'🙄

Just caught two minutes,but my blood pressure can't handle it. No means no cleo: how the hell do you know if other people felt uncomfortable. And even if ok in this case, what's too many women losing the dignity? Let alone the SA cases that are well documented on here.

The bloody names on the Gendered Intelligence (?!) site … ‘Biff’… ‘Blu’ … ‘Stone’ jeez these people spend 100% of their time thinking about themselves 🙄

Am I the only one who feels a bit queasy with Cleo talking so enthusiastically about cervical smears?

At the start of these programmes Adam Fleming invites the audience to chat along on Twitter. Usually the response is somewhat sparse but it's much more lively today:

https://x.com/search?q=bbcantisocial%20OR%20antisocial&src=typed_query&f=live

No.

JUST 'WOMEN' NOT 'CISGENDER WOMEN'

I'd hoped Bev might come back with women self-excluding from health care because they might face this shit after Cleo had been waffling about trans avoiding healthcare.

As to money for service, if the NHS obey the law they won't be in court so often, will they?

Just think of how much money the NHS could save (in the short term) if they didn't follow the law?

AF really fucking struggling here, tangled in his own web of illogic. Bev cutting through it.

Bev- we need simple language, a significant percentage of the public don't understand what TW and TM mean. Or that 85% haven't had surgery.

Very glad she got that in

Cleo brings it back to cervical smears.
And now chest feeding.

Bev - 'chestfeeding' is demeaning to women.

Chest feeding is factually incorrect. You don't feed from your chest.

Well, 6 months ago that programme would have been about how awful non-compliant women are. Parts of the BBC might not like the Supreme Court judgment but overall they're wary of opposing it head-on.

Have you noticed just how often Adam Fleming interrupted Bev Jackson?