Womans Hour Wed 23rd April.

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Apparently the women from FWS will be on.....

https://x.com/millihill/status/1914732862894694516?t=dVRYwM118BO_24mO21-05g&s=19

Woman's Hour has slid into the 'daytime tv magazine show' gutter.

FWS are way out of their league.

Just went to the site myself -
"Our apologies, but there have been so many orders in the last few days, we have run out of stock!

We are happy to still take your order, but please be aware there will be a wait of approx 3-4 weeks before we can post it out to you."

Agree with everyone else about what a star Susan is. Such a shame the BBC can't manage to overcome their bias and platform more of these clear sighted and authoritative women - maybe as often as they platform drag queens? 🙄

Although I agree that the contrast between the animated tone of the presenter when moving on to discuss "bad friendships" jarred with her expressionless questions I agree with everyone who's pointed out that this was an excellent interview where Susan was allowed to respond clearly. And it's great to hear a clear and unambiguous woman centred response to the "what about the poor transwomen?" I'm also uneasy about being seen to "tone police" a woman presenter who's done a good professional job.

Please confirm that you weren't paid by the BBC to post this, because I heard a completely different interview!

Have you listened to WH before now? Have you heard the way they celebrate other women who've had a legal battle and won? Have you heard the warmth and palliness in Nuala and Anita's voices and all the 'you're looking lovely' shite when they're interviewing? Jenni Murray would have been celebrating a win for women's rights. Instead this interviewer (her name doesn't seem to be showing on BBC Sounds) read out her questions as if FWR had done something unpleasant.

It should be "men". Or "male people" or "males who claim to be women" (MCW) if you're on Mumsnet.

Let me help. It's Men. Say Men Every time to show up the Alice in Wonderland thinking.

For example, Should a man be able to strip search a woman.

It sounded to me as if the questions were dubbed in afterwards.

It should be ‘men’

Cannot remember who came up with the idea but on a thread a few years ago on here, posters were trying to come up with equally demeaning terms as 'uterus haver' etc. the winner for me was 'ball bearings'. Love the wit on here.

Can anyone confirm, do I have to wait until tomorrow to listen to this? All I can find on replay is Louise Thompson's interview from yesterday.

Damn!

It's utterly bizarre.

If men are getting sad and upset because they can no longer access unconsenting women, the correct response is tough shit. Not, why won't you respect them, ladies? These people are addled.

They don't actually hear what is being said. In their head they've got a completely different scenario to the one that is actually happening. Despite the violent, lunatic thugs running riot across London demanding capitulation, that's not who they see!

And of course, if people genuinely believe that there's no harm in men accessing women without their consent, and they're upset over the ruling, then go talk to the people who assured you it was all fine, and you had every right.

Because it certainly wasn't women. Or the actual law.

neither. It should be men.

For anyone wanting to hear the interview via a Sex Matters tweet:

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1914977668816343379

Wikipedia is horrendously captured.

I agree @Rollstar , I thought the interview was fair and SS came across so well. I like Claire Macdonell and the questions she asked were the obvious ones in the context of the SC decision which SS was allowed to answer fully. CM’s tone was neutral I would say, which I didn’t find inappropriate. Well done FWS!

Okay – I may have been a little hasty in my praise! Will listen again as I obviously heard it differently.

No, not a shill for the BBC and yes, I am very familiar with Woman’s Hour. Stopped listening a lot over the last few years though as my blood pressure can’t take it.

Do I wish that WH was celebrating this incredible win for women’s rights? Of course I do. It’s bonkers (and frustrating and infuriating) that they’re not.

However, I think my point still stands that having an interviewer asking the hostile questions (that are circulating everywhere at the moment) and then shutting up, actually gave SS more opportunity to put her point across clearly and emphatically. With a warmer, more supportive interviewer that focused on the celebratory aspects, there may have been less opportunity for her to do so.

I found this interview so dispiriting, except it was great to hear Susan Smith. The presenter went straight into "but what are trans women meant to do now?" and what the ruling means for "trans women", "what accommodations can be made for them?". That line of questioning. I couldn't give a flying fuck what these guys do now so long as they keep out of our single sex areas, services and groups like the law says. It's not up to us to make it up to them and figure out alternatives when they've been breaking the law all these years. When were they ever asked how we feel about it? Seriously so annoyed, but still great to hear FWS given airtime.

Thanks maltravers!
We cross posted

It's always a couple of hours before it's up to listen again. No idea why.

I've just been back to listen to that. Crikey Marilyn, all I could hear from that was "Me. Me, me me me me. Poor me, poor marginalised and attacked and defenceless terrified little old me. Doesn't matter where they put me in hospital, I'm scared of everyone! Don't care how women feel, what about meeeeee?"

Shame they couldn't have a woman caller. Nope, just a blokey majority yet again to talk about women!

The interviewer did sound more like she was conducting an interrogation. The contrast with the second piece was notable.

I agree with your assessment of the presenter here rather than that of the earlier posters. I think she is on our side.

Brilliant, thank you.

A stupendous answer to it's not safe for these men women's toilets was, well it wasn't safe for gay men in men's toilets, but with a national campaign men accepted it. Let's change the societal attitude and change this too.

'And another space would've been very useful, for people who have opposite sex carers etc. It requires a societal shift in understanding about provision'.

Sensible, grown-up, useful arguments.

I'm finding it a very interesting interview, it's not annoying me

Radio Scotland had Maya Forstater live on their phone in this morning with Kaye Adams

Actually 'Marilyn' did raise a good point – that it says that he is female on his birth certificate, which is so illustrative of how far the crazy has gone in the actual legal system of this country. If this bullshit is to be genuinely unravelled, that needs to be fully rolled back. That people are allowed to fabricate the information on their legal identity documents is ridiculous. How the hell did we get here (rhetorical!)?